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Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby shahrkster » Sun Oct 07, 2018 8:44 am

Hey folks....new to me 2004 R1150R Base Non-ABS 29K owner here. Not that I needed another bike :mrgreen: but came across this one and “had” to take it for a spin, and then take it for another one and check it out and then buy it. Just “had” to. :o Good news is I got it at a decent price.

Anyhoo...the bike seems to be doing well mechanically. During the 2nd test ride, the shifter got stuck and wouldn’t go past 2nd gear. That got fixed by lubing the linkage. Other than red part of the tachy flickers, a few of the bolts are rusted and I need to replace the front seat cover. Previous owners left it out in the sun and so there has been some oxidation of parts. Paint is in good condition. Side bags paint has deteriorated and need a redo.

Questions:
Bike has a low rpm or idling vibration. Smooths our at 3500 rpms and I could ride it there all day long. It’s the lower rpm that seem to send the jitters. Noticed that the vibrations are less even at 4000-5000 rpm and 100-110mph. Do feel them slightly in the handlebars and foot pegs , but nothing out of the ordinary. However, I am not sure how smooth this is supposed to be. Any comments would help.

I have looked for the manual online but the AScycle link won’t work. Any other place I can get this?

What kind of oils are recommended and what are the intervals? I am going to do the engine oil change first. Oil seems a little too dark. Also do people recommend K&N or High flow?

Any recommendations on where I can lookup and buy paint? I have the Silver one.

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby towerworker » Sun Oct 07, 2018 11:41 pm

Congrats on the R1150R...hard bike to beat. A lot of good info and advice here. On the low rpm stuff......proper idle is 1050-1100 rpm if I remember right. You probably have what is referred to as a "dual-spark" since you say it's an '04. Primary plug is in the tunnel in end of jug. Those are fired by a "stick coil" or basically plug cap with integrated coil. They are known to be problematic and often fail early in miles or years. There is a secondary plug under the cylinder...fired by a conventional coil located under the tank. A bad or going bad stick coil is found by starting bike and pulling one of the secondary or "under jug" plug wires. If the bike stalls that side's stick coil is bad. If it continues to idle then move to the other side and pull it. Once you verify or correct that problem (if you have one) then the next step is to adjust the valves and then sync the throttle bodies. Do a search here and you'll find good info on both procedures. If you have difficulty report back here and I'll see what I can find for you. Or shoot an email..my name.. wayne.bowyer@gmaildotcom

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby airhead_irl » Tue Oct 09, 2018 12:59 pm

On these bikes, I thought that if you pulled a good coil then it would cause the bike to stall and a bad one pulled would not effect the running engine ?

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby kirby » Tue Oct 09, 2018 1:18 pm

That is certainly a way to check it... but firing the plug wire(pulling it off) you stand a very good chance of damaging the ignition system by firing the plug wire un loaded.
So if you pull a plug wire you really should put a plug (extra) in the socket and ground it. Then you can see if its firing. (not a running engine) Use the starter to check.

It is the only technically proper way to check if the plug is firing.

The engine will run on only the bottom plugs (or top) alone.
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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby towerworker » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:25 pm

Do like you check a 9v battery. Touch the tip to your tongue. ;)
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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby towerworker » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:33 pm

I'm wondering if pulling a bottom wire will damage anything. I say that because both plugs (opposite sides) fire at the same time. The load on the coil will change but not disappear. The stick coils I'm less sure of. I pulled the bottom wires on mine troubleshooting years ago when my coils failed. No apparent harm but then again it was only for a few seconds.
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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby kirby » Tue Oct 09, 2018 9:29 pm

Its the ecu that CAN be damaged not the coils.

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby shahrkster » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:09 pm

Thanks all for the responses.

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby shahrkster » Fri Oct 12, 2018 12:23 pm

towerworker wrote:Congrats on the R1150R...hard bike to beat. A lot of good info and advice here. On the low rpm stuff......proper idle is 1050-1100 rpm if I remember right. You probably have what is referred to as a "dual-spark" since you say it's an '04. Primary plug is in the tunnel in end of jug. Those are fired by a "stick coil" or basically plug cap with integrated coil. They are known to be problematic and often fail early in miles or years. There is a secondary plug under the cylinder...fired by a conventional coil located under the tank. A bad or going bad stick coil is found by starting bike and pulling one of the secondary or "under jug" plug wires. If the bike stalls that side's stick coil is bad. If it continues to idle then move to the other side and pull it. Once you verify or correct that problem (if you have one) then the next step is to adjust the valves and then sync the throttle bodies. Do a search here and you'll find good info on both procedures. If you have difficulty report back here and I'll see what I can find for you. Or shoot an email..my name.. wayne.bowyer@gmaildotcom

Wayne
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Hey Wayne...looks like you arent too far from Winchester. Good to see a local around here. This morning when I started the bike (as you know its a little cold) it had knock/ping but it went away a little later. I think I am going to start by changing the oils on this and see what happens. Does anyone have an electronic version of the user manual for these? Need to know what oil to use.

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby Hyja1 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 3:35 pm

There are many opinions about oil. For myself, a low mileage rider, I change my oil annually and use dino oil. 20-50 weight for the engine and heavy duty gear oil 80-90 weight. I’m not so particular about brand. I stocked up on Kendall engine oil and Lucas for gear oil. I change the gear oil with every change. Its cheap insurance and I get to look at the drain plugs for any signs of shavings. I change the filter with every change. Beemer Boneyard Has bulk filter bargains and I order extra crush washers for all the plugs.

There are differing thoughts on synthetics......
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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby shahrkster » Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:21 am

Hyja1 wrote:There are many opinions about oil. For myself, a low mileage rider, I change my oil annually and use dino oil. 20-50 weight for the engine and heavy duty gear oil 80-90 weight. I’m not so particular about brand. I stocked up on Kendall engine oil and Lucas for gear oil. I change the gear oil with every change. Its cheap insurance and I get to look at the drain plugs for any signs of shavings. I change the filter with every change. Beemer Boneyard Has bulk filter bargains and I order extra crush washers for all the plugs.

There are differing thoughts on synthetics......


Thanks. I use mineral oil as well. I think synthetics are an overkill for these. I use Yamalube on my other bike and it seems to like it. What fuel type have you being using? I used 93 assuming this is what all BMWs need and I am thinking it may have caused the knocking/pinging sound.

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby Hyja1 » Mon Oct 15, 2018 2:04 am

i use mid grade California spec fuel and have not had any knock. Originally, I was using super but folks on this site convinced me it wasn’t necessary. I switched to mid grade long ago with no issue.
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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby towerworker » Tue Oct 16, 2018 11:14 am

I've had my best mileage on 89, but if loading the engine heavily it will occasionally ping. I run 93 most of the time. Hyja1....if you find yourself running south sometime give me a call....540-448-5767. Maybe we can meet up for coffee and exchange motorcycle tales.

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby shahrkster » Tue Oct 16, 2018 12:25 pm

towerworker wrote:I've had my best mileage on 89, but if loading the engine heavily it will occasionally ping. I run 93 most of the time. Hyja1....if you find yourself running south sometime give me a call....540-448-5767. Maybe we can meet up for coffee and exchange motorcycle tales.

Wayne


Sounds good Wayne.
I just refilled with 89 and am going to see how that works out. That said my mileage on the last fill up was not what I expected - I got 28.1MPG. Yikes. However, that was a lot of city driving. But still makes me wonder if something else is off. The last owner must have not liked this bike too much and let mother nature have at it I am guessing.

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Re: Wanted to say hi and ask for advice

Postby towerworker » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:05 pm

I have gotten as high as 54-55 mpg and that was on the BRP and actually was two-up. Around town and occasionally rolling the throttle (maybe more than "occasionally") it'll quickly get into the 30's! Man, it's hard to not get into it! :) The darn thing is just so much fun to ride.
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