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back ache and bar risers

Postby R12RnHouston » Fri Aug 21, 2009 10:59 am

Hello everyone!

OK, I’ve been on my R12R a few months and my lower/middle back and shoulders are killing me! :cry: I commute 40 miles RT every day and ride a bit on the weekends. I came from the F650GS upon which I sat straight up and this works best for me. I’ve searched threads discussing bar risers and think that might be the answer since I have to do something. Otherwise, I love this bike.

My questions for the group are:
1. Will I notice a change in control of the bike, i.e., will it feel very different?
2. Are they safe?
3. Do you have to guess how to angel the bars on the risers, or are there reference marks?
4. Are there any brands that just bolt right on with no modifications to control cables or fluid lines?
5. How do I pick the right distance “up” and” back”?

Would be grateful for any advice,
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby Tom Barnhart » Fri Aug 21, 2009 11:41 am

I have used the Bob's BMW Bar Bax on a number of bikes. I currently have them on my 2008 R1200R. They require no changes to the wiring, plumbing or cables. The raise the bars about 1" and set them back about 1". When you install them you need to position the bars in the most comfortable setting as well as rotating the controls. They have made the bike more comfortable to ride, the pain in the cervical area is gone, and since I sit up just a bit straighter, it changes the wind stream over the windshield.
There are a number of companies making risers, look at their ads and tailor your needs to their specs. The Bob's product is in the $75 range, putting them just about the middle of the price range for similar products.
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby xprof » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:36 pm

SW MoTech bar-backs bolt right on, are safe, don't change the handling (except as sitting up straight changes the handling), and don't require longer cables. Mine were around $50. They really relieved soreness in my shoulders.
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby Northernbiker » Fri Aug 21, 2009 12:40 pm

David, I was having the same problems you are experiencing when I first got my bike. I had come from a F650CS where I had not had these problems. After discussing risers with my dealer, he said his first choice was to go with different handlebars. He ordered and installed the Superbike high bars from Speigler. http://www.spieglerusa.com/cfm/handlebars.cfm

These were a big help. They allieviated the shoulder and arm pain and helped with the back as well. Still some improvement needed so I am going to order some risers from SW-Mototech as they look like the best choice for me. Let us know how you make out.

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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby redwing » Sat Aug 22, 2009 3:28 am

Tom Barnhart wrote:I have used the Bob's BMW Bar Bax on a number of bikes. the $75 range


Hi Tom.... I like the $75 price range. I went to bobsbmw. I think that was the right web sight. I did find a product 'Bar Bax' but I couldn't find one for an R. Please ... note a part number or some way I can find this part. I'm thinking of getting risers and BMW offers a set with a 25mm rise up but not back for $85. Up only may be good for me. The bike's geometry seems to be good but on rides of perhaps an hour my lower back begins to get tight. I move around a little and that helps but that is no solution.
Hi Chris...Also I looked at the 'street bars high' at the web sight spieglerusa and that seems like a good idea. How involved is changing the controls over? Probably wouldn't take to long. Also, how does hieght and width on the stock bars compair to the bars at spiegler?
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby Ashveratu » Sat Aug 22, 2009 4:16 am

xprof wrote:SW MoTech bar-backs bolt right on, are safe, don't change the handling (except as sitting up straight changes the handling), and don't require longer cables. Mine were around $50. They really relieved soreness in my shoulders.


I have the SW MoTech's as well. The best 50 bucks I have spent so far. No change in handling. Installing them is a no brainer as long as you know how to use a wrench. They are only as safe as the person riding the bike.
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby danstl » Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:06 am

I've had bar backs on a couple of RR's over the years, and they are good. I currently have a Wunderlich Touring Wellness bar on my R1200R. The bar is a bit wider than a standard bar and moves you hands back about the same as bar backs. The positives - that it does not interfer with a tank bag like bar backs can and has less effect on handling characteristics. The negatives are that they require a bit more rerouting than the bar backs and a longer brake line which is included with the product. I also had the bars on a prvevious R1150R. If you can find someone with them on their bike, sit on it and see how it feels.
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby R12RnHouston » Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:36 am

Can you guys give me the specifics on the SW Motech bar risers… part number, where you purchased them, etc?

Thanks!

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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby Tom Barnhart » Sat Aug 22, 2009 7:59 am

Bob's Bar Bax: I do not have the specific model number. The set I have was originaly on my K-75, then an R-100, then on a 2003 R1150R, and now on my 2008 R1200r. Give the parts guy at Bob's a call and tell him you want a set that fits the diameter of the 1150 or 1200 bars. You may need a different length pair of bolts for one of the mounting holes. The other mount hole uses the factory bolt.
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby xprof » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:17 am

David, I'm sure I got 'em from TwistedThrottle.com, but their website isn't cooperating (it also doesn't currently show me the crash bars that I know they offer). I suggest that you phone them and ask about the bar-backs for R1200R that are 1" up and 1 5/8" back. OTOH, Chicago BMW could probably order them for you AND give you their famous 20% discount.
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby sandycruz » Sat Aug 22, 2009 10:53 am

Chris, Did the Spiegler bars require any changes in wiring or brake/clutch hoses? They look like the cleanest solution to the "short guy need some extra reach" problem. Which of the bar materials/color did you get?
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby xprof » Sat Aug 22, 2009 6:08 pm

OK, I finally found it, at www.moto-techniques.com :

513-062M (Modified) -Handle Bar Risers w/ Setback - R1150R & R1200R 1" Rise and 1-1/4"Setback

Qty: Price: $49.95

These are by far the cheapest solution to the problem. Not to say that the handlebar swap-out wouldn't maybe be better...
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby Northernbiker » Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:03 pm

Hello again guys,

With regards to your questions about the Speigler bars - the dealer recommended the Super Bike High bars (Aluminum, color silver) and they were about $79. I had the dealer install them as I wasn't comfortable doing it myself. I forget what he charged to do it but the cost was minimal. Sorry but I forget what the height difference is compared to stock but the width is virtually the same.

There was no need to change the brake or clutch cables or any of the wiring. He knew from previous experience this would be the case which is why he recommended them. The bars don't have threaded ends so your stock end caps will not work. Dealer got the Flat Cap end caps from Speigler in black and they look just fine. Hope this helps. Happy riding!

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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby R12RnHouston » Thu Aug 27, 2009 12:48 pm

OK, xprof, I have a set of 513-062M bar backs on order. I'll let you know how it goes!
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby takemeaway » Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:51 pm

Ok. I know you already have the specs and risers on order. Just wanted to let you know that I had the MV risers installed because I didn't enjoy the lean onto the stock handlebars. Mine did not require any change in cabling, just a slight rotation of the bars to keep the cables from binding. That said, I also was concerned about there being a different feel to the bike as well and expected it to take awhile to become accustomed to them. Got on the bike and TOOK OFF! The feel of the bike was perfect and it all clicked! Left my husband in the dust and took a tough [for me] corner with no problems. Husband commented on who had stolen his wife. Hope yours work as well for you.
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby R12RnHouston » Sat Sep 12, 2009 7:35 pm

Hello every one! OK, I just installed Moto-techniques 513-062M (1” rise/1 & 1/4” setback) bar risers this afternoon. About 20 minutes start to finish and no cable problems as promised. I had put a protractor on the brake fluid cap so I could get the same handlebar angle I had before; they feel right.

I just took it on a 30 minute run and tried to find a few curves. It does not handle or feel any different than before to me so that’s good. I should know by the end of the week after commuting back and forth to work if my shoulder and back pain subsides. I’ll let you know. I helped my sister plant a tree this morning so my back is already hurting!

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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby peckhammer » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:18 am

R12RnHouston wrote:Hello every one! OK, I just installed Moto-techniques 513-062M (1” rise/1 & 1/4” setback) bar risers this afternoon.


I installed a set of those a couple months ago. Like you, I found no change in handling. I do wish that I could get a slightly longer line for the brake. I have the bars rotated slightly forward to relieve tension on that line. All in all, this was the best $50 I've spent. I also noticed that I get less buffeting from the windshield now.

Anyone know if there is a slightly longer line available?

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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby NeilS » Sun Sep 13, 2009 10:33 am

Yes. I installed the SW Motech bar risers and, like you, thought the brake line was just a little too short. I got a replacement from Spiegler. All I said was "BMW R1200R, 1 1/2" longer than stock." They knew all the details. Around $60.
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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby R12RnHouston » Mon Sep 14, 2009 8:10 am

I have the bars rotated slightly forward to relieve tension on that line.
I checked mine yesterday afternoon and I see what you mean. I've rotated them forward slightly as well and even when the bars are full left and locked the tension seems to be off. [-o< Keeping my fingers crossed that I feel a big difference in my lower back and shoulders this week! [-o<

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Re: back ache and bar risers

Postby Dan-A » Tue Sep 15, 2009 8:48 am

Anyone got any pics?
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