R1200 Water Cooled

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That link doesn't seem to work --
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It is looking more likely that we'll see a water-cooled R in 2015 and I'm still very interested. However, a guy on FaceBook reckons that the water-cooled engine has been plagued with problems in the GS - clutches, water pump, gearbox and shaft drive problems. I tend to feel that a small number of users are affected and these owners are getting maximum publicity on the Web while we don't hear from the vast majority of happy owners out there.

Am I right here or is there substantive evidence out there that there are issues? It seems that every time that BMW does something new, there is somebody complaining that it doesn't work for them.
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Old saying: "It's not the ships, it's the men in them." Back in 1974 I knew a young woman who road an old R60 from London to Cape Town with little more than a custom tank that held more fuel. I personally think there's nothing more foolish than the GSAs you see on the road with those giant silver boxes, additionally piled high with all kinds of gear, the riders with a look of grim determination locked on their faces.

I recently sold my 2005 GS, owned from new, to buy a Dark White R1200R. What a spectacularly wonderful bike! I'm just back from an 860-mile spirited romp through the back roads of Colorado, never missing a beat, completely confident at all times. Couldn't be happier and much relieved from not having to deal anymore with the over-weight and over-tall GS. Now I'm thinking of getting a DR650 for some fun stuff off road. Perhaps I'll trade for the R1200 Water Cooled when the time comes, but I doubt it.
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Water cooled R has arrived

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Mix between the concept bike and what we saw in spy shots...

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/ ... 51_highres
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Just introduced. The abandonment of telelever is disappointing.

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Does it still have linked brakes? I want to test drive it
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Intermot

No telelever.

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Looks like a single radiator, not two like the GS version.
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BMW UK's site, with specifications.

http://www.bmw-motorrad.co.uk/uk/en/ind ... &notrack=1
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Here's more info and a bunch of pics to drool over
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A few more with some speculation here.

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Adios telelever..... good or bad, I'll miss it as well.

I will also mourn the passing of the traditional round style headlight. :doubt:

but, overall its cool I suppose..Its much sportier looking. you know, though...Id like it a heck of alot more if it didn't look like so much an old Kawasaki z1000. :doubt: it kinda looks "me too-ish" :roll:
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Nice!
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It says "BMW Motorrad Integral ABS (part-integral), disengageable". Does that mean linked brakes, I think so. Nice!

I like the blue and also the red and white configuration.
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Whoaa there cowboys. One of your links also referenced an R1200RS! That is big news. Found plenty of info from Intermot when I googled it. When I bought my R, I was trying to find a used RS to test ride.

Although I will miss the telelever, with a good suspension and linked brakes, the new R and RS should be pretty spectacular. I can't wait to try them out. The telelever does get criticism from time to time regarding less feedback.
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jkhomes wrote:Although I will miss the telelever, with a good suspension and linked brakes, the new R and RS should be pretty spectacular. I can't wait to try them out. The telelever does get criticism from time to time regarding less feedback.
The "less feedback" criticism is typically from butt crevice journalists who consider themselves uber-riders who push everything to the limit. For the average doddering BMW rider, telelever has no drawbacks I can see (or feel.) It tracks well, doesn't wiggle on ground pavement, and provides a supple ride with excellent control. There is no braking dive or braking binding, which is what I guess they feel is "feedback" (as in - "we're about to lose it.." sort of feedback.)

BMW has been pandering more and more to the moto-journalists. First the step back to single-switch turnsignals, now telelever. First thing you know they'll be making bikes with more than 2 cylinders and with chains.. ;)
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deilenberger wrote:The "less feedback" criticism is typically from ----- journalists who consider themselves uber-riders who push everything to the limit. For the average doddering BMW rider, telelever has no drawbacks I can see (or feel.)
Back on the telelever debate.
I'm not a MC journalist,but I've ridden with a few, and I come down on the less feedback side as far as the telelever goes. I felt it the first time I pushed the R1200R thru a turn, I was coming off a Moto Guzzi that had more than a few dollars worth of work done on the forks. Not a big deal but a different feeling. I liken it to the first time you drive a car with electric power steering, strange but you get used to it quickly.
I've always figured the telelever was something BMW did as a look at the cool front end we can build thing. If it was a quantum leap forward in front fork design I imagine other manufactures would have jumped aboard with something similar, but it seems even BMW doesn't think it's worth pursuing.
If the telelever has an advantage I guess it's in the maintence area - it is easier to work on than a telescopic fork.
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Re: 2015 R1200R Water Boxer

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I think a lot of the advantage comes in stopping the dive under braking of a big, heavily laden bike. Hence they're sticking with the Tele for the big tourers and the GS', but moving to more conventional front ends on the more nimble machines.
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