High beam not working :(
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High beam not working :(
I'm hoping for some advice from you fine folks...
2004 R1150R with 54,800 miles.
I've had a headlight modulator on it for about 8 years. Recently there was no modulation. Sometimes it would work, sometimes it wouldn't. Eventually it stopped altogether.
While trying to figure out the cause, I removed the headlight modulator (which sits between the headlight bulb and the plug). I plugged in the bulb and voila! the high beam worked.
Then, I decided to re-install the modulator. I'm pretty sure that during this process, one of the bulb's 3 tabs (that insert into the plug) touched the metal headlight bucket and possibly shorted out. The high beam again failed to function. I removed the modulator again and left it out.
I have tried several different bulbs and still no high beam. I also replaced the high beam relay and still no high beam.
I'm guessing...
1) There is a short somewhere in the wire that powers the high beam. The high beam power supply does not have a fuse (which makes no sense to me but that's what I've learned after quite a bit of searching the web).
2) The high beam switch on the handlebar is no longer working.
Any hot tips on how to verify 1 and / or 2 above?
Anything else I should check?
Thanks so much for any help with this problem!
2004 R1150R with 54,800 miles.
I've had a headlight modulator on it for about 8 years. Recently there was no modulation. Sometimes it would work, sometimes it wouldn't. Eventually it stopped altogether.
While trying to figure out the cause, I removed the headlight modulator (which sits between the headlight bulb and the plug). I plugged in the bulb and voila! the high beam worked.
Then, I decided to re-install the modulator. I'm pretty sure that during this process, one of the bulb's 3 tabs (that insert into the plug) touched the metal headlight bucket and possibly shorted out. The high beam again failed to function. I removed the modulator again and left it out.
I have tried several different bulbs and still no high beam. I also replaced the high beam relay and still no high beam.
I'm guessing...
1) There is a short somewhere in the wire that powers the high beam. The high beam power supply does not have a fuse (which makes no sense to me but that's what I've learned after quite a bit of searching the web).
2) The high beam switch on the handlebar is no longer working.
Any hot tips on how to verify 1 and / or 2 above?
Anything else I should check?
Thanks so much for any help with this problem!
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Re: High beam not working :(
Does the momentary position of the headlight switch turn the light on ????
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Been riding since 1979, BMW's since 1981 .
4 R65's, '87 Guzzi V65 Lario .
Re: High beam not working :(
No, actuating the switch has no affect on it. It's always on low beam no matter the switch position.AZBMWRIDER wrote:Does the momentary position of the headlight switch turn the light on ????
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Re: High beam not working :(
Do you have a multimeter to check for continuity of the high beam filament in the light bulb ?
'02 R1150R, Atlanta Blue
Been riding since 1979, BMW's since 1981 .
4 R65's, '87 Guzzi V65 Lario .
Been riding since 1979, BMW's since 1981 .
4 R65's, '87 Guzzi V65 Lario .
Re: High beam not working :(
I do have a multimeter but I'm not sure which tab is the high beam filament. I'm sure I could figure it out though through some trial and error. Thanks for the idea!AZBMWRIDER wrote:Do you have a multimeter to check for continuity of the high beam filament in the light bulb ?
I suppose if it has no continuity, then I should take apart the switch assembly and do the same thing there - trying to determine if there is current leaving and entering the switch. I will continue that process working backwards to the power source. Does that sound like the best way to tackle this?
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Re: High beam not working :(
Have you checked the fuses ?
Re: High beam not working :(
It's interesting that you ask that. I had checked the fuses several times and found no problems. Someone on advrider told me that contrary to what the manual says, the high beam is fused.Frank1150r wrote:Have you checked the fuses ?
After seeing his response, and since I couldn't sleep anyway, I went out to the garage to take a look at the fuses. None of them were blown so I decided to give up for the night.
Well, I changed my mind and decided to try to *add* another fuse. The fuses on my bike stop at slot #7. I popped one in slot 8 and *bling!* the high beam worked! I'm certain I had never removed a fuse from slot 8 but adding one worked so I must have.
I re-installed the headlight modulator and the light was blinking like normal. Then, just as I was about to put the lens assembly back in place, I tested it and the high beam did not function again. After some trial and error I decided that the modulator must be defective. I removed it and the high beam worked again.
Now, I love solving problems as much as anyone (especially the type that seemingly solve themselves) but I really wish I understood what's going on here. I suspect it's true that the modulator is bad - that may explain it's intermittent performance and apparent failure. What I don't understand is the fact that simply adding a fuse made the high beam function. Even my Clymer manual shows there is no fuse for the high beam, nor is a fuse indicated in the Clymer wiring diagram.
Anyway, it's great to have my headlight back to normal function.
Thanks for everyone's suggestions!
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Re: High beam not working :(
Incorrect.UT R1150R wrote:It's interesting that you ask that. I had checked the fuses several times and found no problems. Someone on advrider told me that contrary to what the manual says...Frank1150r wrote:Have you checked the fuses ?
... Even my Clymer manual shows there is no fuse for the high beam, nor is a fuse indicated in the Clymer wiring diagram...
R1150R 2003-2006 build date has fused low-and high beam. SLP confirms:
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Re: High beam not working :(
^^ you are correct. I wish I had known about that much earlier.
For those following along... I think I know what happened. The modulator (only runs on high beam) would sometimes work and sometimes wouldn't. I concluded that it had eventually failed altogether. I checked my Clymer manual which said the high beam is NOT fused. The wiring diagram in the manual also showed no fuse for the high beam. I also found a lot of of info on advrider confirming no fuse. I posted the problem yesterday and a guy on advrider told me that BMW, Clymer and internet wisdom is wrong on this topic and that the high beam IS fused. I popped in a fuse and it worked. While trying to diagnose the problem, I must've removed the fuse at some point when trying to match my fuse block setup to what was shown in the manual.
Anyway, it's great to have a high beam again. I'll replace the modulator and cross my fingers that everything continues to function.
For those following along... I think I know what happened. The modulator (only runs on high beam) would sometimes work and sometimes wouldn't. I concluded that it had eventually failed altogether. I checked my Clymer manual which said the high beam is NOT fused. The wiring diagram in the manual also showed no fuse for the high beam. I also found a lot of of info on advrider confirming no fuse. I posted the problem yesterday and a guy on advrider told me that BMW, Clymer and internet wisdom is wrong on this topic and that the high beam IS fused. I popped in a fuse and it worked. While trying to diagnose the problem, I must've removed the fuse at some point when trying to match my fuse block setup to what was shown in the manual.
Anyway, it's great to have a high beam again. I'll replace the modulator and cross my fingers that everything continues to function.
Trust those who are seeking the truth; Beware of those who say they have found it
Andre Gide
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Re: High beam not working :(
Historically ,and just a general point of interest, headlight bulbs were not fused. The received wisdom is that it was more likely you would have a nasty accident if a fuse blew in the dark than be spontaneously frazzled in a wiring loom fire.
Or something like that.
Or something like that.
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