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GS pegs etc are on my r1150r

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Wanted to lower and move forward the footpeg location more than the aftermarket kits would achieve. Looked for mounting plates on other 1150 models that might fit, I found by looking at the pics on beemerboneyard that the GS ones bolt on and move the pegs down and forward about 2".
But since my feet are now more parallel with the ground due to being moved forward, my toes don't point down like they did on the stock pegs, so I don't believe ground clearance will be an issue, not at least the way I ride. I'm going to attach a piece of stiff wire about 6" long pointing downward and angled outward a little to the underside of the pegs as a sort of gauge to see how close they come when cornering. If I can take it to the maximum lean angle I usually achieve and there's no contact
between the wire and the pavement, I'm fine. If it does, it'll keep snipping like 1/2" off at a time till
I lose contact while cornering, then I can pretty much measure how much actual clearance I've got.
Kind of tough to check that out visually while taking a good corner!

Anyway, huge improvement in foot position and knee angle!!

Got all my parts from beemerboneyard, not much different total cost than just the little aftermarket kits. And Mike was very helpful and responsive - told me about and supplied me with the longer rear brake pushrod, etc., and that I should and could use the r master cylinder, and about rebending the
existing line a little - did not have to disconnect it.

Parts: footpeg mounting plates (same bolts) and pegs, the rear brake lever, the shifter pedal, the shifter arm that attaches to the shaft coming out of the trans, the shorter little bolts for the master cylinder shield, and the longer master cylinder push rod. Had to get a little longer bolt and a nut to
mount the reservoir that's on the rear of the left footpeg mount plate - the hole in the GS one isn't threaded like it is on the r.

The cable for the foot brake switch had enough slack in it back alongside and under the seat to
pull some out so the switch would reach the lower position.

The brake line had to be massaged a little, but by reducing the angle of the bend where it comes straight down from under the tank then turns horizontal and rearward, I gained enough length to be able to make it work, using the r1150r rear brake master cylinder - it's a larger diameter than the GS rear master cylinder. Also sits at a more vertical orientation so the brake line has to travel farther back as well as down, so needs a little rebending in the area near the master cylinder. I mounted
the cylinder to the plate before I mounted the plate, and by careful massaging was able to bend it using the peg mounting plate as a handle for extra leverage, and no problem with kinking at all. I made small bends at close intervals to change the curve where it's close to the master cylinder.

I only had to remove the starter cover to change the trans shift lever.

I will have to get a longer hose for the rear brake master cylinder to the reservoir so I can keep the reservoir in the stock position, so will have to bleed that system. Was time to do it anyway,
the bike is an 04, I bought it last summer, so don't know if it's ever had fresh fluid. Good time to
do that. The master cylinder mounts behind the footpeg mounting plate instead of on the outside
of it, so the spacers from the r1150r for spacing out the shield to clear the master cylinder aren't needed. The mounting bolts are also then shorter. I got the shorter bolts with the shield & peg plate.

The foot lever on the center stand hits the left peg mount plate before it folds all the way up, the stand just lacks about 3" travel to fold up fully. The foot lever just barely hits, so by massaging just the end of it outward at the bend near the end probly less than an inch, it should clear.

Not counting the brake hose and bleeding, which is all I have left plus massaging the center stand foot lever about an inch, I've spent about 2 hours on the swap. And I'm old and stiff and don't move very fast. The hardest part of working on a bike or a car at my age is getting up off the ground!

I sat on the bike with it on the center stand and, wow, what a difference a couple inches makes!
Knees don't feel nearly as bent and my thighs now bear more of my weight on the seat so should
even relieve a little of the pointy butt syndrome. But I'm still getting a DayLong seat next spring
plus some bar backs. And a CalSci windshield.

I got the bike for a pretty good price, so even with a little tinkering like this to make it a litle more cruiser oriented, I've still got a lot less invested than going out and buying a real touring model with
all the fairings etc. I don't do long rides or ride in foul weather, so like the "naked bike" feel of it
anyway.

I'll take some pics when I get it fully completed, add some text explanations, and post them on
mediafire.com and link it here so folks can actually see what I've explained above.

Now, let's see - what can I tinker with next?! ;-) Like my wife says, I can never leave anything
stock. My answer to that is that if they made things the way they should, I wouldn't have to do
all this, but then I'd miss out on all the fun!

Merry Christmas everyone!!
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macx,
got any pics of the pegs yet? i'd really like to see em
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Kind of. ;-)

I have pics with the GS pegs/plates just held up in front of the stock ones, and that does give you
a pretty fair idea.

I do have the new plates mounted now, it's just too darn cold here to get out in that cold garage and
do anything. Hi's in the single digits.

I do plan on doing that as soon as it warms up a little.

In the meantime, here's some link to those other pics and related info


http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?hjh3qaymsxx
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?45cwmx4m2l2
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wh1b9j2gmio

Between all those files, they show the left and right plates & pegs,
the stock r center stand foot lever interference
and the difference in the foot shifter levers etc and the trans shift lever
from the r to the gs bikes.

When I get everything complete, I'll take pics of rebending the rear brake
line and massaging that center stand foot lever so it clears and write up
descriptions

I'm going to make a "telltale" for checking ground clearance with the gs
pegs with a stiff piece of wire angled down and outward a little from the
outer end of the gs pegs, then go drive it and take some corners at about
my normal max lean angle, and see how much clearance I really do have.
I'm going to start out at a 6" long piece, then if it drags I'll keep snipping
it shorter by 1/2" increments or so and see what I end up with.

Even if it's a little less clearance than with the r pegs, my feet sit flatter
(more horizontal) with the gs pegs versus the toes-down position on
the 4 pegs, so that ought to make up for at least some of the lower position
of the gs pegs.

I'll post what I find out when it gets warm enuf to take it for a ride to check it out.
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I've been waiting to see this modification as I've been considering it myself. I look forward to hearing more about how the GS pegs work out.

Unfortunately, I can't open those pix you attached-something about not having cookies to enable the download.
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Enabling cookies is different from one browser to another -

if you're interested, go to http://www.techspot.com they're great
at helping with any computer problem

Or you can just open your home page, then go to Help and look up cookies.
It should tell you in there how to enable them.
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Finished it up today, took it for about a 10 mile test drive.

WHAT a difference a couple inches down and a couple inches forward makes!!
At least to my old knees.

And foot peg ground clearance doesn't seem to be an issue. When the bike is on the side stand,
the left footpeg outer end is 9" off the pavement. I snuck a couple glances while doing some
slow fairly tight corners and it sure looked like there was plenty room. I'm going to attach a
"telltale" wire downwards and outwards a little from the outer end of the left footpeg, make the
part sticking down about 6" long, then go and drive it around some corners and see if the wire
makes contact with the pavement. I doubt it will.

And with my feet further forward, they're more horizontal in relation to the pavement so
my toes don't point downward hardly at all like they did with the stock pegs.

I'll take some pics and post links, but in the meantime to recap:

all 1150GS parts -
footpeg plates & footpegs
shifter & shifter arm on the trans
rear brake pedal, rear master cylinder push rod
the shorter bolts for mounting the master cylinder

kept the r1150r master cylinder, it's larger diameter
kept the master cylinder cover plate, although it doesn't cover the line as well
had to rebend the rear brake line a little, didn't disconnect it from the master cyl
mounted the cylinder to the peg plate and used that as leverage to help GENTLY rebend
the brake line - got extra "length" by taking out the 90 degree bend where it comes down
from under the tank and turns rearward - put basically a 45 bend higher up and another 45 bend
farther back. Then rebent the line in small, close increments to loop farther back and down
to meet the new position of the master cylinder
Had to lengthen the rear brake reservoir hose by about 4" using 1/4" gas line, 3 clamps, & a 1/4"
"hose mender". Removed the right rear side cover, pulled the reservoir out of it's clip, positioned
it horizontal, rolled it so the nipple was at 12:00, then pulled the stock hose off. Didn't lose any
brake fluid. Attached the additional hose - lost just a little fluid cuz routed the hose behind the
frame member so had to hold the master cylinder upright briefly to insert the nipple into the hose.
There was enough slack in the brake light switch wire behind the right rear side panel to pull enough
wire to reach the new lower position of the brake light switch.
The side stand is still operable as is, the little loop for my foot is kind of under the shifter pedal
but still accessible.
The center stand foot lever had to be massaged a little to clear the left peg mount plate. Basically
a little out and a little back, just fractions of an inch each way.
Needed a 1/2" longer bolt & washer & nut to reattach the (reservoir or ??) to the rear of the left peg plate.
The mount hole in the GS plate isn't threaded like it is in the r plate.

So, I'd have to rate this an unqualified success. It moved the pegs down and forward a meaningful distance,
about 2" down & 2" forward, not just the 3/4" or so you get with the aftermarket peg relocater kits.

And being they're still BMW mounting plates, it still looks OK.
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pics please :mrgreen:
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http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?hjh3qaymsxx
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?45cwmx4m2l2
http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?wh1b9j2gmio

Those I took before I removed the stock pegs & plates, but are a good comparison because the picture
is of the GS plates & pegs held in position with the stock ones still attached, so you can see the relative
positions of both of them and how much the GS pegs are lower and further forward than the r ones.

I'll take my camera home from work tonite (I work nites, it's now midnite) and take a couple pics
tomorrow and post probly tomorrow (Sunday) evening.

I'll also get a close-up of the relocated rear brake line, and of the side and center stands in the up position.

If any of you have tried opening those links in MediaFire, were you able to just open them or did you have
to download them? For some reason, I can't seem to open them, have to download them.
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OK, here's the pics

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http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?xmnjkhz5yyy

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macx:

So, have you had a chance to ride it much yet?

I am doing the same mod and was wondering if your rear brakes are more or less touchy and whether it take more or less effort to apply them?

Rather than bend the pipe, I was thinking about using a 2003 GS rear master cylinder and brake pipe, since the Integrated ABS control units are the same between the later 1150 GS and the 1150R bikes. I would have to bleed the brakes of course to do that.

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Hi Mac :)

excellent post.

Rather than do this mod I'm making up some peg lowering adapters (here at work I have access to our foundry pattern shop and a big bin of alloy scrap)

When you say "down and forward 2 inches" do you mean down 2" and forward 2" ??

Thought I might as well imitate your dimensions as they work :)

ALso, I'll be fabbing a new shifter lever and modifying the brake lever to match the new position

thanks
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PakeL62 wrote:macx:

So, have you had a chance to ride it much yet?

Maybe couple hundred miles, no long trips over 50 miles. I'm 62 with not the best knees, am VERY glad I did the swap. Much more comfortable. Actually, the pegs could have been forward a couple more inches, but even so it's a vast improvement for more of a "cruising" position. Now to get some bar backs and a DayLong seat and this old man will be all set!

I am doing the same mod and was wondering if your rear brakes are more or less touchy and whether it take more or less effort to apply them?

I've really not noticed any difference in the rear brakes - and the pedal being a little bit bigger makes it a little easier to find than that small nub that was stock.

Rather than bend the pipe, I was thinking about using a 2003 GS rear master cylinder and brake pipe, since the Integrated ABS control units are the same between the later 1150 GS and the 1150R bikes. I would have to bleed the brakes of course to do that.

I retained my existing MC so I could avoid doing that brake bleeding thing with the ABS. Really wasn't that difficult, I was just careful not to kink the line.
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TracyPrier wrote:Hi Mac :)

excellent post.

Rather than do this mod I'm making up some peg lowering adapters (here at work I have access to our foundry pattern shop and a big bin of alloy scrap)

I had thought of that, too, before i figured this out. I was going to use some flat aluminum plate, drill holes for longer bolts and standoffs for the existing peg mount plate bolts/holes, and then I also had a simple extension figured out to bolt onto the existing brake lever. Wouldn't have maybe looked all that slick, but I'm past the vanity age ; -)

When you say "down and forward 2 inches" do you mean down 2" and forward 2" ??

Yes, pretty close. I wouldn't have minded a couple more inches forward, even, but as is sure is a huge improvement for these old knees! I'm next going to get some bar setbacks to complete a more
upright / cruising position. I probly would have bought a different model had I bought a new one, but I got a good deal on this one and I really like the bike, so a few minor mods are well worth it as I intend to keep it as long as I can still ride. Eventually also going to spring for a DayLong seat and a CalSci windshield.

Thought I might as well imitate your dimensions as they work :)

I had several folks "wonder" about getting the feet too close to the pavement, but doing some measuring doesn't indicate that's going to be a problem. I.E. when the bike is on the side stand, the outside tip of the new peg is still 9" above the pavement and, with the more horizontal foot position instead of the more "toes down" position with the stock pegs I don't anticipate any danger at all. I've been out practicing slow speed maneuvers for my driving test (I haven't driven a bike since 92 and never did have my bike license) and even with doing circles in a narrow 2 lane roadway I didn't sense any problems, although of course I couldn't see exactly how close my feet were. I did try holding the bike in a leaning position, as far over as I could get it and still being able to hold it, about to where the chicken strip was all used up, and my wife measured and still came up with over 6" from the outside tip of the peg to the pavement.

I had looked long and hard at how to modify the shifter and hadn't really come up with any decent looking workable solution before I discovered the swap. I don't know if you could manage it, but one option may be to look at using the GS shifter and trans lever. The main problem might be making up a pivot on your fab'd bracket for the shifter.

ALso, I'll be fabbing a new shifter lever and modifying the brake lever to match the new position

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Thanks for your thoughts and input on this Mac :)

Tell me, how much have you had to "massage" the actuating leg on the centre stand??

Thanks
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Ended up only about 1/2" back and 1/2" out, had thought it would be more.

The foot ends up sort of on the back corner of the mount plate but there's no
interference with my foot.

The stand doesn't fold quite all the way up, lacks about 1/2", but some kind of small rubber biscuit
or bumper addition could be added to prevent the foot from contacting the left mounting plate.
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