Question about fuel injection and timing

[redwing]

Got and have used the "Go Cruise." Accelerating quickly to get on the freeway and then some I slowed from maybe 90 once and another time maybe 95 setting the "Go Cruise" at 65 mph or more I watched the speed drop to 50 mph. The speed did not hold.
Then accelerating to 78 mph I set the GC again. The speed held.

I guess the bike changed some settings somewhere as the speed / rpm's became constant.

What happened...I think the bike is good. I am not expecting a problem but I question why?

Robert

[BigJohn]

Nothing wrong with the bike. I have a Go Cruise that I tried on my GS. The grips are kind of old and getting a bit slippery. The GC does just that, it slips initially. I've found if I move it slightly away from the portion of the grip that curves it will stick much better and I only have to reset it once. Also, it came with a rubber band which helps add some grip for the nylon GC. I've used several throttle lock brands (GC, Kaoko, Bob's Wrist Rest, airhead locking screw, etc) and they all tend to slip a bit when first applied. It's difficult to get the speed set exactly, as when you do the ground will start to rise or fall changing what you just set. When group riding I don't even try it as I can never get it set to match the speed of the other riders. It's best used when riding alone on a straight stretch of flat slab.

[jkhomes]

I've used several throttle lock brands (GC, Kaoko, Bob's Wrist Rest, airhead locking screw, etc)

So Big John, what was your favorite of all that you tried? I am thinking of getting a Koako.

[Faylo]

I have to join in here. I just recently installed the Kaoko and am currently on a trip. I like it. Very simple to install and operate. Maybe not as cool as a Throttlemeister, but simpler in design. Sometimes I back it off too much and then have to turn it a bit more to re-engage it, but that has not caused me any concern at all. On potentially curvy or hilly roads, I'll set it so that it provides a modest amount of resistance and will slip if I completely let go of it, but it assists in holding on the throttle. On the slab, I set it tight so it doesn't slip at all and rest my hand. The difference is only a 1/4 turn if that. I would buy it again.
-Jim

[BigJohn]

I will agree with Faylo. The Kaoko is probably the overall winner. The large teeth on the setting knob make it easier to use than the others. The Go Cruise is nice and it's universally easy to fit on almost any bike in a few seconds. It's downside is even though it's pretty narrow, if you have large hands , it takes up space on the grip. When not in use my hand rubs up against it, sometimes uncomfortably. I put it on my Multistrada, and using the supplied silicone band makes it pretty non-slip, though it still has to be adjusted several times each time you apply it. Is the Kaoko worth six times more than the GC? I think that would depend on how you use the bike. I put most of my miles on the GS so I wanted something more substantial and heavy-duty. The MS is a back-up bike so it's not as important, plus I could easily swap it over to a borrowed bike or loan it to a friend for the day.

[xprof]

I have the classic "heavy" throttlemeister, and am very happy with it. OTOH, while out for a drive today I tried Don Eilenberger's trick of rolling an o-ring into/out of the gap between the throttle grip and the bar-end, and it worked amazingly well for only a couple of pennies! I recommend anyone without an expensive throttle lock try this cheap and simple trick to beat claw-hand on your next long freeway drone.

[lynnboyd]

I haven't heard anyone else talk about it on this site but I've got a Universal Vista Cruise and it works well. When adjusted right, there really isn't any slippage. It doesn't have that BMW quality look but it's only $30 or so and is pretty easy to install. It probably takes up more room than the GC although I haven't noticed feeling like there isn't enough room left on the grip.

[jameson71]

xprof,

I know this question is going to make people wonder how I can operate the clutch and the throttle at the same time, but what kind/size of o-ring would work for this?

[xprof]

Jameson: I got the O-ring grip set from Excel Cycle Werkes (and found it extremely comfortable; I highly recommend this inexpensive farkle). It included about 66 O-rings, which I split between the 2 grips. After about a week, as the O-rings bedded in, I removed first one, then two O-rings from each grip. It was one of these that I used. They say that they are special, UV-resistance O-rings, rated for outdoor use, and they seem to be holding up just fine. Don Eilenberger has posted a couple of times about using an O-ring as a throttle-lock; perhaps he might know the size and other specs. Don?

[dbrick]

After about a week, as the O-rings bedded in, I removed first one, then two O-rings from each grip.

That's reassuring, Mike. I did the same, and always wondered if I'd done something wrong in the installation.
The added diameter and different texture of the grip make my throttle hand *much* happier.

[jameson71]

Jameson: I got the O-ring grip set from Excel Cycle Werkes (and found it extremely comfortable; I highly recommend this inexpensive farkle). It included about 66 O-rings, which I split between the 2 grips. After about a week, as the O-rings bedded in, I removed first one, then two O-rings from each grip. It was one of these that I used. They say that they are special, UV-resistance O-rings, rated for outdoor use, and they seem to be holding up just fine. Don Eilenberger has posted a couple of times about using an O-ring as a throttle-lock; perhaps he might know the size and other specs. Don?

And I just ordered some grip puppies 2 days ago as recommended in another post I saw on this board

Might just get the o-ring grip set anyway in case I roll it right off the bar end! Thanks for the info!

[redwing]

Hey...where's the thread police ...help help
Thanks for the input nevermind

Robert

[deilenberger]

Jameson: I got the O-ring grip set from Excel Cycle Werkes (and found it extremely comfortable; I highly recommend this inexpensive farkle). It included about 66 O-rings, which I split between the 2 grips. After about a week, as the O-rings bedded in, I removed first one, then two O-rings from each grip. It was one of these that I used. They say that they are special, UV-resistance O-rings, rated for outdoor use, and they seem to be holding up just fine. Don Eilenberger has posted a couple of times about using an O-ring as a throttle-lock; perhaps he might know the size and other specs. Don?

Most people use the O ring as an on-off device, getting one large enough to roll over the grip, then roll it into the gap between the bar-end and the grip. In this setup - it sits on top of the gap.. and can be rolled off easily.

I do something different. I use a (guessing at size, but not far off) 3/4" x 1/8" O ring, that sits IN the gap between the throttle grip end and the bar-end weight. I grease it with a bit of silicone grease, and then use thin washers to space the bar-end weight so it provides just enough drag that the throttle very slowly closes if I release it. That provides relief for my right hand, and even allows me to remove my hand to close zippers, scratch myself, etc. There is no way to turn it "off" - so it becomes a no-spring sort of throttle (feels a lot like what HD had with the looped-cable throttle setup they used for a while.) You turn the throttle ON and OFF..

Works fine for me. It might not be for everyone, but it's cheap enough to try.. and very easily reverseable.

BTW - I've tried various bar-end throttle locks. What I didn't like about them:
1. Hard to just add "drag" when riding - they want to lock.
2. If I did get it set for just "drag" - when I turned on the heated grips - the expansion of the grips made them lock (and become difficult to turn off.)

Just didn't work for me - which is why someone on this forum got a deal on a barely used Kaoko..

[Shakey]

Lynnboyd,
I've got a couple of those lying about the garage but I figured it would interfere with the right indicator / cancel switch . I've since rotated that switch assembly slightly forward to make the indicator switch more easily accessible but I would still suspect a clash.

Xprof,
I have a throttlemeister heavy which I took off my FJR. Did you bolt it into the same inserts used for the standard bar ends or did you need to buy a fitting kit?

[Shakey]

Works fine for me. It might not be for everyone, but it's cheap enough to try.. and very easily reverseable.

BTW - I've tried various bar-end throttle locks. What I didn't like about them:
1. Hard to just add "drag" when riding - they want to lock.
2. If I did get it set for just "drag" - when I turned on the heated grips - the expansion of the grips made them lock (and become difficult to turn off.)

I'd completely agree with that. My Throttlemeister has great on my FJR as long as the heat was on but didn't work when the grips were cold. I'm intrigued by your O-ring solution and I'll give it a whirl when I get home from the sand pit. Don't you experience the same issues with heated grip expansion though?

[xprof]

Shakey: I just bolted them on. But I'm pretty sure they asked me what bike I wanted them for, when I ordered them.

[lynnboyd]

Lynnboyd,
I've got a couple of those lying about the garage but I figured it would interfere with the right indicator / cancel switch . I've since rotated that switch assembly slightly forward to make the indicator switch more easily accessible but I would still suspect a clash.

Shakey,

It does make it harder, but not impossible, to cancel the turn signals. I just like it because it's so easy to turn on and off.

Lynn

[deilenberger]

Works fine for me. It might not be for everyone, but it's cheap enough to try.. and very easily reverseable.

BTW - I've tried various bar-end throttle locks. What I didn't like about them:
1. Hard to just add "drag" when riding - they want to lock.
2. If I did get it set for just "drag" - when I turned on the heated grips - the expansion of the grips made them lock (and become difficult to turn off.)

I'd completely agree with that. My Throttlemeister has great on my FJR as long as the heat was on but didn't work when the grips were cold. I'm intrigued by your O-ring solution and I'll give it a whirl when I get home from the sand pit. Don't you experience the same issues with heated grip expansion though?

No - the rubber O-ring seems to have enough "give" in it that the expansion isn't a problem.

[RGC1248]

I know this is a fairly old thread, but I could not find another with as good a discussion as this.
I bought a Kaoko today. Easy installation. The problem is that even in the "off" position, the throttle is slow to roll off. I reinstalled the old end weight a couple of times to check. The throttle rolls off with a snap.
I'm taking the Kaoko back to the dealer next week.

[dbrick]

It shouldn't do that. Mine doesn't. Either the Kaoko, or the installation, or something about the throttle tube is defective or misadjusted.