NewsFlash: R1200R

Post by **Biff's R** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 8:59 pm

The R850R cost BMW about the same to build as the R1150R, but they could never charge the same amount for it, because it is a smaller bike. I think that they built it for places where there may graduated licenses.

Post by **JCsman** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 9:39 pm

DJ Downunder wrote:I thought this Ducati concept looked interesting

I dunno, DJ, looks like someone forgot to tighten a bolt and the fairing slipped down to me.

1150929 · Post by **1150929** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:15 pm

MattPie said;

I was thinking about this last night while reading about the new Ducati sportclassic bikes, and maybe we should have a write-in campaign to BMW: a retro-styled R1200R. Maybe something like a 1975-ish R90/S, or go even older. How about it?

You couldn't be more right Matty. I've said it before, BMW needs to learn from the makes with the great heritage, Ducati does it best and although I can't stand Harleys, they've taken heritage straight to the bank. Unlike Harley, Ducati honours heritage without old school technology, so why can't BMW?

I think scenes like the last BMW annual get-together at Ohio scares BMW, where at 37 years old I felt like a toddler next to the average participant. So BMW is designing freaky looking bikes thinking they'll get to that (not 60 and above) demograhic. Too bad, freaky is not good and can erode the brand, IMHO.

Post by **scottybooj** » Thu Dec 22, 2005 10:18 pm

Rui, that's funny, I was thinking the same thing! There sure were some old fogeys at that Rally!

Although, where we were camping, (the 'loud' section) there were some maniacs. Young and old!

riceburner · Post by **riceburner** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:37 am

Boxer wrote:
they'll want to keep details like that the same over the 1200 range
How do you figure? They didn't do it with the 1150.

This is about all that will be the same. I think!
http://www.micapeak.com/HMarc/R1200GS/i ... frame2.jpg

yes they did - Rockster/GS lights, Rockster R-R Tank and bodywork, Rockster/R1100S front end, R1150RS/R1150RT forks, rear bodywork (I believe), wheels etc.

(Ok the Rockster was a bit of a parts bin exercise but the point remains the same).

They already HAVE done the same thing with the 1200's. The RT and ST share a tail-rack and luggage fitments and I'd be very surprised if the front ends weren't identical. The R1200GS lights have been used on the K1200R. For a modular manufacturer like BMW it makes sense to use as many common parts as possible.

leno · Post by **leno** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 4:51 am

Given access to BMW parts bins I'm sure we could knock togeather a new R1200R. I would like to see a return to the style and ergos of the original R1100R. BMW have plenty of sporty models now. It would seem silly to lose the comfort and layed back style. Not everybodu wants a pretend racer.

Post by **DJ Downunder** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 6:16 am

New RR....What about this one...maybe with a softer seat...and a better headlight..

DJ

QSIMDO · Post by **QSIMDO** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 9:59 am

from R&R

"Even though it is Christmas we are still able to dig out a few motorcycle news for you. BMW's R1150R and R1150R Rockster will during next year be replaced by a new R1200R with the latest engine in the same way as R1200 GS and R1200S got the latest Boxer motor. What BMW have told us is that the basic technology will be similar to R1200 GS. This basically means more power and less weight. We also asked whether there would be a restyling and BMW would not give us any details. It shouldn't look too different though and BMW is doing a good job with the second hand market. None of the upgrades have alienated the old model much. They have simply got better and better in manageable steps. Pictured: R1150R and R1150R Rockster. TS"

Post by **Deans BMW** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 10:21 am

What QSIMDO said about the R1200R.

DJ the bike in your pic, the San Jose BMW Blower bike, will weigh in the mid 300 lbs and have a streatable 130 plus hi torque RWHP. The booth was packed for the entire show.

Some time ago, BMW Germany was presented with the concept of using the R75/5 as a model for a retro roadster with current engine, tranny etc. This was before the intro of the Triumph Bonny and Thruxton, the Duc retro models. Don't know how they reacted.

riceburner · Post by **riceburner** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 1:43 pm

Actually - I'd like to see a BMW engine in a Buell XB12R type wrap around chassis - with the fuel in the frame, the battery tucked up behind the alternator (under the dummy tank and a lowish seat with clip-on bars. Would make a nice compact bike.

Post by **socalrob** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 3:41 pm

In my mind the R1200R will have what makes the R1150R great:

-Relaxed ergos for a bike good for around town or a 600 mile day.
-Handlebars, not clip ons
-Mirrors set for splitting traffic
-Seat that is comfortable
-Hard luggage capable
-Built so it can be sporty when required
-Big round headlight
-On the new bike, put in the bike "computer" from the new R & K series that shows multiple trip meters, oil temp, miles remaining, time & temp
-Center stand

If they manage that, get the wet weight under 500 lbs, the HP above 100, give it a top speed of 140mph+, put in the non servo ABS brakes from the new R1200S, and sell it without luggage or screen for $11,995 to $12,500 (ABS model w/ heated grips), I'll be trading in my R1150R pretty quick.

Maybe it will have a better horn, too.

Retro styling to some degree would be cool too.

Rob

Post by **Pat** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 5:22 pm

*BAM!*

I'd be ALL over that!

Make an R1200R just as you described, and I would sign on the dotted line in an instant.

collyers · Post by **collyers** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:03 pm

Nicked from http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/news.html :

"Even though it is Christmas we are still able to dig out a few motorcycle news for you. BMW's R1150R and R1150R Rockster will during next year be replaced by a new R1200R with the latest engine in the same way as R1200 GS and R1200S got the latest Boxer motor. What BMW have told us is that the basic technology will be similar to R1200 GS. This basically means more power and less weight. We also asked whether there would be a restyling and BMW would not give us any details. It shouldn't look too different though and BMW is doing a good job with the second hand market. None of the upgrades have alienated the old model much. They have simply got better and better in manageable steps."

In other words, no news is good news.

They won't let Chris Bangle anywhere NEAR Berlin.

collyers · Post by **collyers** » Fri Dec 23, 2005 7:09 pm

ALSO VERY INTERESTING....... (from same site)

BMW hard necked denies there is a light weight supermoto with a 1-cylinder engine on the cards for next year. We believe it is however and we know from unofficial sources that something is going on with a high spec supermoto. We give you these three options: F650GS Supermoto, HP1 (high power 1-cylinder) or F450GS Supermoto (based on the Aprilia cooperation). Here is the comment BMW has made: Everything that has been published or discussed in the media at the moment is speculation. The only thing our Head of BMW Motorrad Dr. Diess has communicated in an interview referring to your request to a motorcycle with 150 kg is the following: "Mr Diess what does the production contract with Aprilia, which is so shrouded in mystery, contain?" "Herbert Diess: it means that a new motorbike will be produced there for which Aprilia has also taken on part of the development work. This is due to the fact that we are working at full capacity due to our product offensive which includes the new flat twin models, the new four-cylinder and the new middle class two-cylinder. Our development division has 400 people which are on a level of the Japanese competitors. It would have been very difficult for us to continue growing in this area. With this model we have discovered a market opportunity for a new BMW motorcycle segment and we saw no sense in building up all these capacities at our home base. And our experience with Aprilia has been very good in the past. There will be a single cylinder motorbike and the weight we're aiming for is 150 kilos. This BMW niche motorcycle could be on its wheels by the end of next year at the earliest."

A little something-something to think about.....

vintagecycle · Post by **vintagecycle** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 4:02 am

Pat wrote:How hard would it be for BMW to fit all the Rock & Roadster body parts they have laying around, to a 1200 Hexhead??? Frankly, I don't want the current cosmetics of the Roadster to change..... it's timeless the way it is. But give us a lighter package, with a smoother running powerplant, the new maintenance-free final drive, and ten more horsepower, (and a lower/narrower saddle)...... well, I'd be willing to buy another one RIGHT NOW! But BMW is gonna make me wait, raise their prices, and lose me.

I can't imagine how BMW plans to market a new 800cc belt driven bike producing the same power as the current 1150's..... for $14,000 usd!?!?!?! Think about it, it's not scheduled for release in the the United States until 2007, and I'll bet they're gonna hype it, make it pretty, AND elevate BMW motorcycles' level of eliteness between now and then...... Sure, the naked F800S with no add-ons may go for "$12,000.00", but the F800ST with bags is going to price itself waaaaaay outa my league!

All I'm asking for Christmas is,
for BMW to release word that a naked R1200R will not only be lighter with comparable power, but that it will be available ASAP for ten grand. Hey, they gotta get rid of all those Rockster body parts they got laying around, and I'm here to help!

Is that too much to ask?

WORD!!!!

Post by **socalrob** » Mon Dec 26, 2005 6:27 pm

Ain't gonna happen for ten grand US IMHO.

The new boxer 1200 bikes are all $15,500 & above from what I've seen.

I'm hoping for a new R1200R for $13K or less.

Post by **scottybooj** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 12:09 am

Hey, just think.... If the replacement R comes out at 13K or so US$, then our bikes will pick up a bit in the resale dept!!!!

Post by **gelbe Kulter** » Tue Dec 27, 2005 6:53 pm

http://www.raptorsandrockets.com/news.html

The above website shows a price of 9150 Euros for an F800ST. Today that's 10,832 US dollars. I think that it is a bit premature to guess at prices much higher than that. Remember that the F650GS was listed for $7500 last year and the Dakar for $9400 - I don't think the replacement for the GS will be 13k.

An R1200R would be priced higher than 10k, I think, especially since the MSRP on the R1150R was $10,990 last year.

collyers · Post by **collyers** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 8:12 am

Those are Euro prices FOR Europe - the US gets a whole different pricing structure.

Post by **gelbe Kulter** » Wed Dec 28, 2005 1:42 pm

Everything with a $ in front of it in my post was a US price from 2005.