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Calling all troubleshooting experts: Bike won't start.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:48 pm
by vinman
2002 R1150R, no ABS. I've had my bike in storage (indoors) for the past 2 and half months. I had fully charged the battery (original battery, now 3 years old) prior to storage and used a fuel preservative. The bike ran and started fine the day I put it in storage. I had run the bike for about 15 minutes about a month ago and it started fine. Drove it up and down a side road a couple times and it was fine.
Today I turned the key, indicator lights came on, head light was on (no dimming), tail lights on, pulled up on the fast idle lever, pulled the clutch and hit the start button. All I got was a loud and rapid CLACK, CLACK, CLACK sound from the front of the bike with the indicator lights flashing at the same time and speed as the sound. WTF?! Turned off the key, waited about 30 seconds, tried again. More of the same noise. It didn't even sound like it was trying to turn over.
Any ideas???
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 1:50 pm
by ErikU
That sure sounds like a battery issue to me. Aside from charging, be sure to check and clean the battery connections if needed.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:03 pm
by sjbmw
That Clack sound is very familiar to me, it happens if I kill my battery.
How did you charge the battery before storage?
The bike's clock will drain a sitting battery.
The juice needed to crank it over is much more than the lights need.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:19 pm
by Boxer
Vinman, that's a very weak battery. The short ride did nothing but drain it more. I'd take off the tank and check water levels then hook up a charger again. Unless there's abad cell, you should be fine after that.
Do you have a Battery Tender? I use the Junior all winter, but never for more than a couple of weeks at a time. Mine is also an original battery three years old.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 2:42 pm
by vinman
Yeah, I thought of the battery first too. So why the loud clacking noise? How much have you guys paid for a battery? I take it there is general good luck with the gel type batteries?
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 3:01 pm
by DJ Downunder
Try push starting it...just roll it up to running speed..second or third gear..bounce on the seat as you drop the clutch...it should fire up ok.
DJ
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:15 pm
by turnercj
The clack clack sound is the starter motor solenoid shunting the gear forward onto the flywheel. What would normally happen is that the starter motor would then turn and crank the engine over.
Prior to all this happening, the battery has to prime the fuel pump and power up the ECU that controls the fuel injection and ignition That takes a fair lump out of the battery.
If your battery is anything but fully charged, there won't be enough current left to crank the starter motor so all it can do is shunt the gear forwards, hence the clack. The lights will flash 'cos each time the solenoid tries to move, all current is directed away from the other circuits.
If you do manage to turn the engine over but it doesn't start, remember you may be putting raw fuel into the cylinders and then onwards to the cat. That will screw the cat up.
Fully charge the battery and then take th bike for a long ride. Put some fresh fuel in as well.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 4:36 pm
by fnfalman
Your bike had been sitting too long. The battery may have enough juice to run the light but not enough to crank over. Battery Tender or some sort of trickle charger is your friend.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:27 pm
by vinman
Thanks guys! I have a battery tender but the bike is in a storage unit a couple miles away and there is no power available there. Now if I lived in California, which I hope to do before the fall, this may cease to be a problem as I'll be able to ride all year long.
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:30 pm
by baltm604
does your storage unit have a light bulb? you can cheat and get an adapter to plug your tender into the light socket for power

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ba
Posted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 5:57 pm
by Arbreacames
For $69 you can have one of the best batteries available for your scoot shipped straight to your door. Look for an Odyssey PC-680 on eBay. I bought from odyssey_world, but I am sure there are plenty of other good sellers. Odysseys come charged and ready to install. While you wait for it to be delivered, look it up on the net and decide how you want to install it. Placed conventionally up, you might need a small angle bracket on the negative terminal. Placed on its side you won't need anything.
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:02 am
by CycleRob
vinman,
Put a fork in that battery - - - it's sulphated and never gonna comeback to full charge. 2.5 months is too long for both the Motronic memory and the clock's parasitic load without a charging, especially if that's the original battery. If it is the original, that's a good/average service life.
Do not buy the same flooded cell type battery again. Get the sealed maintenance free Odyssey PC-680 like Arbreacames says.
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:45 am
by vinman
From what I've seen a BMW sport touring forum some have bent the cable ends to make it fit the battery. Its either that or buy the copper post adapters. I checked BobsBMW, he sells the Odyssey for $136. A quick search on the internet and I find the very same battery for $75 to $95 dollars.
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:10 am
by Arbreacames
vinman wrote:...I find the very same battery for $75 to $95 dollars.
My quick search yields $48.80 + $20 S&H. It's from odyssey_world who has 99.8% positive feedback from about 3000 sales.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Motorcyc ... dZViewItem
Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 12:01 pm
by Boxer
They're getting cheaper by the minute!
I might even spring for one this year sometime, if my 3 year old lead acid water cell antique gives me any problems.

Posted: Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:05 pm
by Badger
that is a very weak battery.......attach a battery tender and let it go to green. Starting the bike and riding it for ten minutes drains the battery....need to run it for half an hour or more.....
I have a battery for you
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 8:21 am
by ekiM
Vinman,
I live in Annapolis and just replaced my BMW battery with an AGM by PowerSonic. I got the battery at Battery Warehouse in Annapolis, where it cost $45. The terminals are in exactly the same position as the stock batter--it just fit right in, perfectly. I could deliver one for you, as I drive by Columbia on Rt 32 each work day. My BMW battery is still in pretty good condition and it is fully charged--you are welcome to it, too. If you need help replacing the battery, I can help you do it in less than half an hour. Just let me know.
-Mike
Posted: Fri Mar 10, 2006 9:13 am
by jb44
Here's the angle bracket for the PC-680.
http://ascycles.com/detail.aspx?ID=1356
You only need one... for the negative terminal.
However, for $7.95 plus shipping, you might want to make your own... or just bend the connector on the end of the cable to fit...that's what I did.
jb
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2006 2:24 pm
by Dauntless