Fuel Line Leak

[Eddiem]

Aloha All

I have fuel line leak right where the hoses from the fuel tank get to the quick disconnects, I'm not sure if it is the line or the QD's it is a very slow leak now.

I know someone posted something about the QD's before being replaced by low cost brass ones......does anyone remembers or can point me to that post.....I think it was Cyclerob or Boxermania but I just did a search and can't find that post...

If anyone recalls the post can you please aid me with it.....

Aloha!

EM

[Biff's R]

Eddie, there was a recall about a year ago concerning the QD.

Some people have replaced them with automotive QD.

[taosports]

http://r1150r.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=7474&highlight=

[jb44]

Aloha All
I know someone posted something about the QD's before being replaced by low cost brass ones....EM

The Omega's are not exactly low cost, but they are a quality item.

Lower cost would be to replace the disconnects with a solid piece of copper tubing.

If you are interested, I have a pair of 5/16" brass disconnects (unplated) that I could send you in exchange for postage.

PM me if you you want them.

jb

[ken k]

Eddie, there was a recall about a year ago concerning the QD.

Some people have replaced them with automotive QD.

Do you have any details on the QD recall? i would like to show my dealer, who cahrged me for replacement...

k

[Boxer]

I think he's talking about a recall to repair the fuel line crimp clamps. I may be wrong, but I don't think there was a QD recall.

Anyone please correct me if you know. I have many synapses that don't quite connect as they used to.

[Sunbeemer]

Boxer, most of your synapses are working ok - the recall I read about covered tightening the crimp clamps on the rubber hoses connecting the QD's to the fuel lines, and replacing rubber hoses that show splitting at the ends of the internal hose liner (viewable from the cut ends). I don't think their was a recall on the QD's themselves - but there should have been!

EddieM - don't delay fixing the leak because gas will cause semi-permanent stains on your engine paint (and permanent ones if it catches on fire... )

[Parkblu]

Eddie,

I had the same problem Thursday night, three days before you, on my '03 1150R. Inspecting a fine fuel misting, one QD just broke off, practically by looking at it. That could have happened while riding.

So, get replacements asap.

I would replace the measly crimp clamps with FI clamps (not worm-type clamps), and the QDs either with 5/16" hose-menders, Omega QDs (better quality, supposedly ca. $80) or brass QDs from a company such as smallparts.com (ca. $22?) plus Buna-N non-swelling o-rings. See post at http://r1150r.org/board/viewtopic.php?t=10702

If you email me offlist at parkblue at gmx dot net, I can send you a summary file of the relevant posts plus pix I collected last week on this subject, perhaps saving you some digging.

-tobias.

[JCsman]

If I recall the recall (sorry) it amounted to the tech looking and telling me, "They're OK". That was several thousands of miles ago.

This was not confidence inspiring.

[Sunbeemer]

Same here JCsman. I called my not-so-local dealer who said they'd just look at them, tighten the crimp-clamps if necessary but wouldn't replace the hoses, and that he'd only seen a couple QD's fail on bikes that had been left stored in a hot shed all summer. And since the recall didn't inlcude those anyway, he wouldn't replace them. So, when my crimp-clamps started leaking (when it got cold last winter) I crimped them a little tighter with a pair of blunted end-nippers (pliers) and they were fine for the rest of the year.

This summer I replaced the hoses with 5/16" fuel-injection line, fuel injection clamps, and got 2 brass QD's with 5/16" barbed fittings for $22 from the local Goodyear Rubber store (they make hydraulic hoses there). BTW, these QD's only shut off one side (which I put on the tank side). Other ones that shut off both sides were ~$50/pair. I cheaped out, but little fuel will come out of those bike-side lines which can easily be caught with a rag.

[priapismic]

I think he's talking about a recall to repair the fuel line crimp clamps. I may be wrong, but I don't think there was a QD recall.

Anyone please correct me if you know. I have many synapses that don't quite connect as they used to.

I don't think their was a recall on the QD's themselves - but there should have been!

Phil & SunBeemer,
The recall certainly did cover the QD's. Read carefully from the recall notice that was posted in another thread (my emphasis added):

Recall ID # 04V028000 - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE: DELIVERY: HOSES, LINES/PIPING, AND FITTINGS
Recall Date
JAN 15, 2004


Model Affected
2002 BMW R SERIES


Summary
ON CERTAIN MOTORCYCLES, THE O-RING IN FUEL LINE QUICK-DISCONNECT COUPLING COULD BECOME DAMAGED AND LEAD TO A FUEL LEAK. THERE IS ALSO A PROBLEM INVOLVING CRIMP-TYPE HOSE CLAMPS, WHICH CAN RESULT IN A FUEL LEAK.


Consequence
FUEL LEAKAGE IN THE PRESENCE OF AN IGNITION SOURCE COULD RESULT IN A FIRE.


Remedy
DEALERS WILL INSPECT AND, IF NECESSARY, ADJUST ALL CRIMP-TYPE HOSE CLAMPS. ALSO, ALL FUEL LINE QUICK-DISCONNECT COUPLINGS WILL BE INSPECTED. IF A LEAK IS DETECTED, THE QUICK-DISCONNECT O-RING WILL BE REPLACED. IF DAMAGED, THE COUPLING WILL BE REPLACED. OWNER NOTIFICATION BEGAN ON APRIL 30, 2004. OWNERS SHOULD CONTACT BMW AT 1-800-831-1117.


Potential Units Affected
39000

[jb44]

FYI: Eddie is getting the QD's replaced by BMW under the recall.

I don't know if they replace them with the exact same QD's and clamps or not.

I sent him the brass QD's from Small Parts, and recommended he inspect the hoses for cracks, and replace any crimped-on hose clamps with FI clamps.

jb

[Boxer]

Ahhh...The old QD o-rings getting nicked. I stand corrected. I knew there had to be a reason I carry a spare set in my tank bag.

That's one of the good things about having Bob on board here. After all, he IS Priapismic!

[priapismic]

That's one of the good things about having Bob on board here. After all, he IS Priapismic!

And when I die, it'll take 'em two weeks to nail the lid on my coffin !

[CycleRob]

I was initially in defense of the stock plastic QD's because I had no leak/weep problems whatsoever. Then my upper QD cracked and squirted my forearm while being properly handled. I LOST IT !!! I lost my temper, tolerance & support for the plastic QD's. Without any metal QD replacements, I went searching for some 5/16" solid pipe. Two 4" sections replaced the 2 QD's. No more worrying about leaks or O rings.

I had planned to spend the bucks and get the plated or brass QD's -BUT- How often does the fueltank need to come off with my Odyssey battery?

Answer: Every 24,000 miles to replace the fuel filter.

Verdict: The solid pipes stay put. The next fuel filter will maybe be due this time next year and I can deal with running 40 miles on the fuel lite -or- siphoning all the fuel out before separating the hoses. The peace of mind with solid pipes is tops. (No O rings or fitting $$$)


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[Eddiem]

All

I'm taking the bike to the dealer tomorrow, I spoke to the service manager and he indicated that they will be replacing the QD's and Clamps.....but not the fuel lines.....if they are busted I will have to pay for it.

I also called BMW and according to the customer svc rep at BMW they indicated that ALL of the items are covered in the recall...the bad part is that the new QD's are plastic too......So what I'm planning on doing is to wait and see if the QD's (plastic) die or break and then I'll replace them with the brass ones that JD so nicelly sent to me.

I'm also thinking about eliminating the QD's for good and installing a shut off valve so if I need to take the tank off I have a way to stop the fuel from comming out.

ALoha

EM

[Sunbeemer]

Thanks Priapismic. I guess my dealer had not read the recall notice, but I think I would not have wanted the QD's replaced with another plastic one. After all the problems mentioned by riders on this board, I'm more comfortable with brass QD's.

[Buckster]

I personally was not going to wait for it to happen to me. Replaced with the Omegas last year and have piece of mind when far away.
No garantee that BMW plastic repacements are any better than the stock set.

[priapismic]

I was initially in defense of the stock plastic QD's because I had no leak/weep problems whatsoever. Then my upper QD cracked and squirted my forearm while being properly handled. I LOST IT !!! I lost my temper, tolerance & support for the plastic QD's. Without any metal QD replacements, I went searching for some 5/16" solid pipe. Two 4" sections replaced the 2 QD's. No more worrying about leaks or O rings.

Rob,

I have to admit I'm a little surprised, I thought you were an Omega man!

Just last weekend I replaced one of my leaky and broken QD's with a barbed brass 5/16th insert. I needed a longer piece of fuel line to go along with it, as the insert was shorter than the QD it replaced. I'll do the other QD after the next fuel filter replacement, which I am overdue for.

After finishing up that job and going to back to check threads on this subject, I realized the auto parts (and feed) store out in Hicksville, Texas (turn left at Nowhere) sold me the wrong type of hose clamps. I asked for the fuel injection clamps, but got sold instead the worm-type clamps. They worked, no leaks for now, but I intend to replace them this weekend when I can get to a proper auto parts store and get the proper FI clamps.

[Eddiem]

All

Apparently the new QD's from BMW are redesigned, I asked the dealer if the new QD's are brass or if they are made by Omega and the dealer's response was that they are a new design......he did indicate that they are plastic and they look just like the old QD's.

He also indicated that these QD's are the same ones on R1200's but I thought the 1200's have metal QD's... no???

Any how I'll let you all knowhow it goes once I take the thing in today.

Aloha!


EM