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Centech AP-1 install w/ photos

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I recently completed a successful, I think, install of a Centech AP-1 on my RR.

I needed to add it because I have one farkle too many for patch work--the Zumo tipped the scale.

I wanted the power to the Centech to be switched and I wanted a very clean install with minimal wiring and minimal tie wraps.

I connected a Gerbing thermostat for my vest liner, Motolights, Sirius starmate radio, Garman Zumo and and extra accessory plug--standard auto size for whatever, maybe the little air pump I carry.

Many questions needed answering:

Could I eliminate the inline fuses with the centech-----consensus wisdom-------------yes

Could I eliminate the relay that came with the motolights------a call to motolights referred me to Daytona BMW that at first said they didn't know, but when I asked in a different way I got the answer "I don't see why that wouldn't work." so, the answer there was Yes. The rephrased question was: Can I just solder the two positives together and the two negatives together, put and inline switch on the negative side and connect that to the centech?

I wanted switched power to the Centech, what is the best source--Three answers emerged, but I'll bet there are lots of other options. The Parking light and the tail light wire (NOT the brake light wire). And the third was a fuse tap onto fuse #2.

I chose the Parking light wire because it would result in a cleaner install, with NO wire running to the back of the bike, and no extra wire running out of the OEM fuse box--I was real anal about that, maybe a little neurotic about it, because no matter how clean it was I would still know. Kind of like cleaning under and behind the sofa?

But, no one really knew which wire this was; the Clymer's was somewhat helpful, and the BMWST.com forum was helpful, but it appears the wiring colors may be different on the RT

The corollary to that question was is there a source of switched power that cuts off during engagement of the starter, so that power meant for the started is not sucked by the farkles?

There may be, but the Parking light and the Tail light may not be it. They flicker during a start, but do they lose power, I don't know. At any rate, the Gerbing will not be on during a start, and on the rare very cold start down here, I will switch off the motolights as I put the switch in line on the negative lead.

So, I pulled the tank, and there is the big orange connector that holds the parking light wire, but which one. You have to remove it to mess with it. This is it.
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To remove it: unplug the connector on top of it--the black piggy-backed one. Underneath it--between the black connector and the orange one, there is a little slide locking device that holds it onto the orange one. you'll need a toothpick or something that reaches in there to move it to the side and then it slides off. The orange one has a similar lock under it. it is a little tricky.

Long story short, it is the gray wire---there are 4, red, green, gray and light green-fatter. I determined this by connecting the red--that's power and then in turn connected the others one at a time. The grey one illuminated the parking light AND the tail light.

That's where the tap went. The tap is the blue wire from the easternbeaver wiring kit.
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Incidentally, I bought the AP1 from EasternBeaver.com --Jim Davis there and I bought the wiring kit from them also. I cannot speak highly enough about the customer service from Jim and the quality of the wiring kit. Both were top notch and well worth the very nominal premium involved (and I am not sure there was one). I received the item VERY quickly (from Japan!) and I had to contact Jim a few times with some of the above questions--he always responded very quickly.

So Then what was left was to pass the wires, neatly and make connections, and stash the stuff.

That purple casing is part of an anesthesia circuit and everything fit in very well. It will protect and keep wires form being pinched by the tank. In addition, it is fire retardant.
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this one shows the path of the purple tubing, the battery connections not yet made.
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in this one you can see the motolight lead, leaving the bundle to go to the right side and then to the lights.
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here you can see the final install. The relocated diagnostic plug with mod per Cyclerob is visible and reachable. The diode and the inline fuse for the centech are velcro'd against the metal jacket of the battery and the extra cable is tucked above it. If I need to reach it, they can be pulled free easily. The leads for the farkles mostly exit on the left except for the accessory plug that I have going to the right. I made that lead about a foot long and velcro'd it under the rear seat- I may put some shrink tubing on it for neatness, but it's not too bad now
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and with the tank back on
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and everything works! reset the motronic and haven't had a chance to ride Her yet.

Hope this helps someone out there

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I like your installation Doc. Is there any reason to buy the AP-2 rather then the AP-1 ?
I'm also glad tp see there are no clearance problems with the PC-680. I have one to install and wondered if I should try and get those terminal extensions that A&S sells.
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Impressive work and write up. Thanks.
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Airman wrote:I like your installation Doc. Is there any reason to buy the AP-2 rather then the AP-1 ?
I'm also glad tp see there are no clearance problems with the PC-680. I have one to install and wondered if I should try and get those terminal extensions that A&S sells.
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I chose the AP-1 because I didn't think I wanted to connect anything that would be unswitched

and The odyssey battery--I got the one with the metal jacket. That makes it a bit oversized for the battery space, but I was able to make it fit. Clearance on top is no problem and I just have the standard terminals though I think I had to bend them some for the fit--remember now, the oem negative was a right angle and I flattened it.

and thanks for the kudos, Ms Kristi

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Gee, thanks John...now you've shamed me into tearing apart my Centech install and making it all nice and pretty like yours. :mrgreen:

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Very Nice installation and great documentation of it! Thank you...I've been meaning to get to a similar project for my Stebel horn, driving lights, and GPS, and this is very helpful information. =D> =D>

I only have one question...won't that Anesthesia Circuit make your left, er... leg numb? :lol:
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Sunbeemer wrote:I only have one question...won't that Anesthesia Circuit make your left, er... leg numb? :lol:
Good catch, I was wondering about that
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Dr.,

Nice write-up.

Recommend that you attach some type of drip cover on the AP-1. Mrs. Sweatmark's AP-1 sits just like yours, and we experienced some stray current/dead battery problems when the Centech got wet from bike washing. Water deeps down the back face of gastank, right onto top of AP-1.

Which reminds me that we need to do this PM mod on Mrs. Sweatmark's Roadster! I'll also do same for my Rockster when the big electrics project is tackled this year.
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good point on the washing. I saw the posts about it getting wet and thought "this time it's different" (the four most dangerous words in the English language) because I don't typically ride in the rain and the bike is stored out of the weather 99.9% of the time. But she is washed...

probably can fit a ziplock bag around it somehow.

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Dr. Strangelove wrote:
Airman wrote:I like your installation Doc. Is there any reason to buy the AP-2 rather then the AP-1 ?
I'm also glad tp see there are no clearance problems with the PC-680. I have one to install and wondered if I should try and get those terminal extensions that A&S sells.
Thanks
I chose the AP-1 because I didn't think I wanted to connect anything that would be unswitched

and The odyssey battery--I got the one with the metal jacket. That makes it a bit oversized for the battery space, but I was able to make it fit. Clearance on top is no problem and I just have the standard terminals though I think I had to bend them some for the fit--remember now, the oem negative was a right angle and I flattened it.

and thanks for the kudos, Ms Kristi

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I'm getting ready to buy the AP-2 with the harness and had a question for you. What length harness did you buy, and did you purchase any extras with it like the diode or the taps for wiring in ??
Anything you would have done different now that you've done it ?
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I got the 24" with the diode.
The 24" did not allow for mounting behind the current fusebox, very slightly too short, iirc. Also my farkle leads would have needed patching to get back there, so I mounted on the airbox, after moving the diag plug to near the 11 o'clock position and using the Cycle Rob modification of the plug to save a little space.
I ordered the taps, but I quickly received an email from Jim Davis saying they were not needed along with a credit.

The harness is elegantly made--you will NOT be sorry.

Easternbeaver was great to deal with (as was tech-mounts). Jim Davis responded to emails quickly, personally and informatively. The item arrived faster than expected and quicker than most companies in the states. I have no hesitation rec'ing them.

So far everything is acting fine--no spontaneous combustion noted.

Note Sweatmark's caveat about washing. a valid point. When I washed the other day I just bunched a walmart bag and laid it over the AP1. It was a little wet when I removed it. I think I might get some heavy plastic material and somehow attach it--maybe velcro a flap to the bottom edge of the tank, but I haven't yet.

No regrets with the install, no second guessing, no fine-tuning on the horizon so far.

please re contact with any questions and good luck with the install.

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Dr. Strangelove wrote:I got the 24" with the diode.
The 24" did not allow for mounting behind the current fusebox, very slightly too short, iirc. Also my farkle leads would have needed patching to get back there, so I mounted on the airbox, after moving the diag plug to near the 11 o'clock position and using the Cycle Rob modification of the plug to save a little space.
I ordered the taps, but I quickly received an email from Jim Davis saying they were not needed along with a credit.

The harness is elegantly made--you will NOT be sorry.

Easternbeaver was great to deal with (as was tech-mounts). Jim Davis responded to emails quickly, personally and informatively. The item arrived faster than expected and quicker than most companies in the states. I have no hesitation rec'ing them.

So far everything is acting fine--no spontaneous combustion noted.

Note Sweatmark's caveat about washing. a valid point. When I washed the other day I just bunched a walmart bag and laid it over the AP1. It was a little wet when I removed it. I think I might get some heavy plastic material and somehow attach it--maybe velcro a flap to the bottom edge of the tank, but I haven't yet.

No regrets with the install, no second guessing, no fine-tuning on the horizon so far.

please re contact with any questions and good luck with the install.

John
John,
Considering the mount on the airbox, do you then think the 18" harness would be long enough ? I looks like you've got some extra rolled up in your pictures. And I see the tap on the switch wire now that you mention it. Do you think that's a good connection, rather then splicing and soldering into....what's in that plug, pins ? Is that the best way to do it, do you think ?
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Airman wrote:
John,
Considering the mount on the airbox, do you then think the 18" harness would be long enough ? I looks like you've got some extra rolled up in your pictures. And I see the tap on the switch wire now that you mention it. Do you think that's a good connection, rather then splicing and soldering into....what's in that plug, pins ? Is that the best way to do it, do you think ?
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It didn't bother me that I rolled up some--it wasn't a lot, but could have been a little shorter. As I was installing it I realized a truism in adding farkles to a motorcycle: Never make a wire as short as possible. It is always better to have some extra for changes of mind or routing issues. I was fully into that way of thinking when I did this install. I'd rather roll up with a tie wrap than splice and solder.
The "positap" connetction. It seems to be pretty good and it is more idiot proof than a cut and splice and solder. On the Easternbeaver site there is a discussion about how good the positaps are. It is a way heavier connect than those fold-over taps.
All of the connections on the harness were top notch. Very well made and not flimsy at all--very professional. IIRC, there were some extra connectors in a ziplock bag as extras, but I didn't use them--didn't need to. Email Jim Davis and ask him (of course you can ask me, not what I mean), but he is a very approachable guy, with good info, and will get back to you quickly. Their website is a little confusing, at least for me it was, but he will get you through it. Harness, diode, relays, AP1--the works, shipping, everything was $93 I think, and it got to me within a week, I think. From Japan! The only thing was I didn't get a confirmation of shipment email, but the day I was going to email them and ask, it arrived. And this was around Christmas time.
I think I am going to make a flap of Vis_Kween (sp), to cover the fusebox. I will vlecro it to the bottom edge of the rearmost tank. Does not have to be big at all.

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Jim at easternbeaver.com emailed me yesterday to tell me the AP-2 is out of stock but he'll have some in in about a week. I bought the Ap-2 after reading some about some other installations. I decided the two hot circuits would be useful for some things. One was having your GPS lose settings when you switched off at the gas station. (some aren't battery backed I guess) And I have a DC charger for my flashlight that hates to be swiched off while it's at work. I might just leave the electric tankbag powered. I also stayed with the 24" harness. I read about a GS install and the guy was lamenting having bought the 18" harness. Right choice I think. Better too much then not enough, eh ?
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I also stayed with the 24" harness. I read about a GS install and the guy was lamenting having bought the 18" harness. Right choice I think. Better too much then not enough, eh ?
so true in so much of life.
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i have just acquired a Centech AP-1 for some additions

After reading through these posts a few times, can i ask a question??
What is the pupose of the diode mentioned toward the bottom of the thread.

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digga wrote:...
What is the pupose of the diode mentioned toward the bottom of the thread.

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It's just added protection for the circuit - if you have a CANBus system, it's a good ideal to install it.

More info here :

http://www.easternbeaver.com/Main/Produ ... diode.html
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Might as well keep the board's Centech installs together.

Recently finished troubleshooting a current leak we've seen a couple winters in a row on Mrs. Sweatmark's Roadster. The electrical gremlin eventually killed an Odyssey AGM battery, so we're hoping the problem's solved now. Gave me a chance to tidy up the wiring and add one of Eastern Beaver's relay harnesses for the Centech AP-1, as prompted by Dr. Strangelove's example above. Bought one harness with relay for Jacquie's bike, and another harness without relay for mine, since I'm planning to use a 30A breaker on my Rockster that will serve as switch when required).

Here's a couple of pics of Jacquie's AP-1 installation. She cut and shaped an aluminum plate to serve as mounting surface for the Centech when originally installing auxiliary wiring 2 seasons ago.

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On Mrs. Sweatmark's R1150R, the Centech handles Motolights and relay on separate fuses, her Gerbings plug, and a spare SAE just in case.

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To power the Eager Beaver relay we employed a fuse tap, running the relay's coil wire out the back of the fuse box through a grommet. Most of the fuses have switched power on the fuse leg socket at rear of the fusebox.

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Sorry for the poor picture quality. Tried using my BlackBerry with smudged lens.

Anyone with a good idea for mounting a Centech with "quick-release" functionality? The airbox location makes sense, but it makes air filter replacement a PITA.
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sweatmark wrote: Anyone with a good idea for mounting a Centech with "quick-release" functionality? The airbox location makes sense, but it makes air filter replacement a PITA.
I mounted mine to a piece of angled aluminum. Made two slots in the aluminum base so I just loosen the two screws you see at the bottom of the photo below and slide the Centech off the airbox. Takes just seconds to do.

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taosports wrote:
sweatmark wrote: Anyone with a good idea for mounting a Centech with "quick-release" functionality? The airbox location makes sense, but it makes air filter replacement a PITA.
I mounted mine to a piece of angled aluminum. Made two slots in the aluminum base so I just loosen the two screws you see at the bottom of the photo below and slide the Centech off the airbox. Takes just seconds to do.

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Thanks, thats given me an incentive 8) plud the easternbeaver site makes interesting reading.
i'll read some more later..work beckons :roll:
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