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Now that I have your attention, please read. Sorry no Farkles, but you could win a Motorbike!


With the continuos BANDWITH limit exceeded causing the site to go down, now is a good time for all you member's who haven't supported Doug's site to PAY UP. :biggrin:
IIt's takes money to host the site, and if you've ever posted a question, sold an item, gained any knowledge or made some friends from r1150r.org (r1200R.org too) you should help support what I see as the most important "accessory" for our expensive motorbikes - a community of knowledge, experience , and opinions for better or worse ;) in one place.
There's plenty of regular posters around here who have a BLUE title. The R1200R section of this forum should lead the way having NO blue title's in the thread view, not have more Blue than Red, since we all have dropped big bucks for new bike in the last year or so, and everyone on here who owns or is going to own a Roadster benifits from this site. I'm talking to you guys that have been around a while and you n00b's too. ;)

Come on boys and girls, pony up! The cost of a basic membership is about ONE tank of gas...
When you Really need to ask about a torque value after you have your bike apart, want to know if something fits before you bid on ebay, or are just passing the time at work, #-o this is where you go and if the sites down we are all out of luck with no where to turn...
For those of us that are already members, go buy a couple of raffle tickets - again the cost of ONE tank of gas....


Goto http://www.r1150r.org and click on this tab to be a supporter, and a MEMBER of our community.
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Even better go here, buy a membership and some raffle tickets for a neat little bike....

http://r1150r.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=14159




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I'll tell ya what.. I'll make you a deal.. when I can go more than 48 hours without logging in only to get the dreaded "exceeded bandwidth" alert, or when I can go more than 5 minutes w/o hitting the "back" arrow only to find I've "timed out", or when I only have to log in one time during a visit, then I'll be more than happy to make a contribution - no joke.

In the meantime, there's been a lot of chat about making contributions, and I can see by the colored names that many have, but frankly I don't see much of an improvement in service. I'm not blaming Doug, he's only doing what he can to make all of us happy.. but as a guy who spent a decent size bundle on Exelsior-Henderson stock a few years back (and we all know where that money went), I've become somewhat of a skeptic.. I'm more than willing to support a top-performing website, or a top-performing anything.. but in the time that I've been a member of this board, I've actually seen the performance decrease, not increase.

Show me better reliablility and peformance, and I'll be more than happy to show you da money... :smt023

This is my nice way of saying this since I have enjoyed your contributions to this forum....
Too bad this isn't on ADV....
I've been around here a little longer than you, and before the r1200r forum came around and grew like it has there were very few if any errors. That leads me to believe that OUR little(r1200R) forum with it's new member's signing up daily, is a major factor in taking Doug's system limits beyond their capabilities. With that said, I see it as being up to US to help Doug buy the needed bandwidth to keep this site going smoothly.
This is a non for profit site, and we can't expect doug to spend countless hours/days/years maintaining the site AND front the bill, signing contracts, committing to pay for the upgrades without having the income to pay for it. Would you rather he sold POP UP ads to support the site? I wouldn't.
Saying you'll donate AFTER the site is better is shallow, and outright rude. Considering you have things for sale to make a PROFIT FOR YOURESLF in the Flea-Market, and have benefitted greatly ALREADY from this site, you should be ashamed of these comments.
It's UP TO US as a group to help this site grow, not demand better performance before you'll cough up up measly $20, or god forbid $60 for a lifetime membership. [-X

With all that said, if you want to be so arrogant to demand performance before $, then at least go buy some raffle ticket so you can sleep well at night knowing you spent your money on a "tangible" thing - a chance to win a bike, but with your " high performance" attitude, I'm sure that bike wouldn't be up to you high standards.

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Well just so you know some of us have contributed and our color remains the same. :?
Apparently Doug hasn't gotten around to update some of us so be careful about judging those in blue.
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I would suggest sending Doug a PM if your status hasn't been updated.

I'm not really judging anyone, and who cares if I do, really.
I'm just using my big mouth to get people aware of the fundraising going on right now to help Doug support this site... :mrgreen:

Do I even know that this will help with the site being down? No, I don't. I don't run this site.
I do know that donating to a good non for profit cause that is also very self serving is the right thing to do, IMO.

Plus I'd really like that bike that's being raffled and the sooner he sells enough tickets, the sooner I can be riding that Bike! :lol:
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Well...

I'd rather have read a title saying contributions are needed, than a spam like lure to get attention.

Honesty is the best policy.

A plan of action for use of the funds would be nice if what the problem is... is that the hardware or software needs to be upgraded to make the site better.

I don't come here that much and don't post often, but to make the site better would toss a little cash in for the cause.

HAVING SAID THAT...

I have contributed to a site that had to do with AR15 rifles. There are constant send money requests. Then a limited number of lifetime memberships that started at $250. Some missed out and asked for that opportunity and the response was if they did it would be $500 or something like that. Well... the "make the site better" was really a drive to collect capital to make the site a large for profit business. The focus was on increasing membership to charge businesses more for advertising. Bod of the day was added as soft happytime. A 13 year old was posting soft happytime and the admin did not care (he was a paid member and it required a credit card to purchase a membership :-k ). All the experienced knowledge base of members drifted away and the firearms equivelent of Squids took over the site. There was limited moderation and short of threatening to kill another member, personal attacks in posts were overlooked in the general discussion. The site turned into a huge money maker for the owners but the concept of the site was killed in the process.

It all started with a "bait & switch" make a contribution upgrade your membership we need money to make a better site. Well... better for their bank account... not so much for the members that enjoyed the original site as a "technical" forum for rifle builders, persons who actually used the rifle (or a variation) in their professional field.

So please... be up front in your thread titles... and let us know a plan of improvement. Knowing about hardware and software needs, then seeing improvements will go much further in getting support. Spam like threads are really a turn off, and not as likely to be successful in getting support.

Just a thought!
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dasronin wrote:Well...

I'd rather have read a title saying contributions are needed, than a spam like lure to get attention.

Honesty is the best policy.
So please... be up front in your thread titles... and let us know a plan of improvement. Knowing about hardware and software needs, then seeing improvements will go much further in getting support. Spam like threads are really a turn off, and not as likely to be successful in getting support.

Just a thought!

You have a good point.... in that situation.
That's why I put at the bottom of the post that I'm just another poster around here, I don't represent r1150r.org in any official way at all, just using my big mouth and flashy marketing tactics to bring this to people's attention, since Doug's sticky at the top seems to be getting overlooked with our continuous server issues.
Point taken, sorry to mislead you, and I hope my own personal tactics don't turn you off from donating a small amount of cash to a great cause.... :D


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Personally, I don't care if Doug makes a pile of money from this site. That's his business. I contribute so that I can get my (usually) daily dose of R1200R knowledge, lore and companionship. Sure I get mildly irritated when the site goes down, but it's certainly not the end of the world. I have a life outside of motorcycles.
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While I respect and understand most of the replies, it's interesting to see the difference between the replies in this thread versus the same post I made in the 1150, and flea market forums....
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I just noticed this thread. Chitown, you are too much, thanks for posting this! I was wondering where the members were coming from this weekend. I haven’t had a lot of time this last week to keep up with memberships. I will try and knock them out today since I have some time (but oh, God its nice out!).
dasronin wrote:I have contributed to a site that had to do with AR15 rifles. There are constant send money requests. Then a limited number of lifetime memberships that started at $250. Some missed out and asked for that opportunity and the response was if they did it would be $500 or something like that. Well... the "make the site better" was really a drive to collect capital to make the site a large for profit business. The focus was on increasing membership to charge businesses more for advertising. Bod of the day was added as soft happytime. A 13 year old was posting soft happytime and the admin did not care (he was a paid member and it required a credit card to purchase a membership :-k ). All the experienced knowledge base of members drifted away and the firearms equivelent of Squids took over the site. There was limited moderation and short of threatening to kill another member, personal attacks in posts were overlooked in the general discussion. The site turned into a huge money maker for the owners but the concept of the site was killed in the process.
I think anyone who has been a member of this site knows that I have a serious personal commitment to maintaining civility and a comfortable atmosphere here. I deal with inappropriate behavior and rude comments quickly and with a heavy hand because after running this site for 5 years, I've learned what starts fights and what ends them. Some of you 'ol timers may remember the large blowout the site had as a result of differing opinions, and overnight about 1/8 of the common posters left the site and create their own (Which I heard is dead and full of happytime now.. I don’t visit it, anyone know?!). At first I was a little upset that people felt the need to leave and follow the raucous ramblings a certain few that had an opinion about how this place should be run.

But you know what I realized later? All of the people that made this site a constant headache for me LEFT too! IMO, ever since that dilemma, I've really enjoyed the group of guys and girls we've been able to hold onto. To all of you who have stuck with us, I salute and thank you!

I also want to comment on the site performance as of late. There have been a stream of issues arising from the updates that I have performed on the site in an attempt to increase the user experience here and keep up with the newest technology (security issues, bugs, etc). I had been putting them off for a long time (because I knew it would be a painful process) and I finally had the time and IT backing of our ISP to go forward, so I did. After the forums were updated, we realized we had to update the backend database and some other web tools like cpanel that I use to administer the board. Some things broke, some things had growing pains, some things are better. We also had a coincidental attack on the main server that houses our ISP, and the slow-downs as a result were out of mine and our ISP's control. We just had to wait it out. I am working every day to make sure that the board runs as smoothly as possible, but we still are experiencing a memory leak that causes the site to slow down. The ISP is working on tracking down which of its sites is the root cause, he doesn't think its us.

We have a VERY large site here now and we produce up to 3gb of traffic a day (keep in mind, that’s 90% textual, so 3gb is an amazing amount of content and traffic if you think about it). I also pull down nightly backups that eat away at bandwidth, but after a couple scary moments with the last upgrade (almost losing data - can you imagine losing all of the old posts?!) I went out and bought a 4TB Network backup appliance for this purpose. I've wanted to do this for a while but their cost was prohibitive. With the raffle funds coming in, I didn’t waste any time purchasing and setting it up; it was time (you can all thank MikeCam for allowing this to happen). I also have the ISP doing backups so I can sleep at night knowing that if the site was ever attacked or we had a real issue, our data and site structure is safe and repairable from two separate locations.

Also, with the influx of cash, I was able to raise the bandwidth to 75GB from 35GB so we should not see the bandwith limitation for a long time (or until I have to throtle it back again!). I realize it went down a couple days ago - This was a result of all of the backups I had done while upgrading the site. I had pulled down about 60Gb in data during the backup process and it never occurred to me that those transfers would hit the site's GB quota. I assumed it would just be looking at external connections, not connections to me. Now I know! :)

So, I appreciate all of those people that are as committed to the site as I am. I think we have something really special here and if you've been a frequent member of any other message boards, I think you know what I mean. Thanks for everyone's support, civility and general good banter. I love it!

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Ps- about the login/logout issues. Please try logging out, clearing your cookies AND cache, close the browser, log back in and select "log me in automatically". This solves the issue for most. If you are using Internet Explorer, I highly recommend you try the free FireFox browser instead: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/
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Done. I guess it's about time, since I've been reading this board since I bought my first Beemer, an R1150R, in 2002.
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A-hem. Let me point out the bleedin' obvious (economist have gotta be good for something)

The bandwith problem exists because of free-riders. If we all contribute, it'll be resolved.
NCGS wrote:
I'll tell ya what.. I'll make you a deal.. when I can go more than 48 hours without logging in only to get the dreaded "exceeded bandwidth" alert, or when I can go more than 5 minutes w/o hitting the "back" arrow only to find I've "timed out", or when I only have to log in one time during a visit, then I'll be more than happy to make a contribution - no joke.

Show me better reliablility and peformance, and I'll be more than happy to show you da money... :smt023
Is this really a viewpoint? If NOT, do please ignore what follows - but if SO, let me translate (my italics):
NCGS wrote: I'll tell ya what.. I'll make you a deal .. as long as I can free-ride on you poor suckers, I will
Show me better reliablility and peformance, and I'll be more than happy to show you da money... yes, I really have no shame about demanding maxium service for no money from guys who volunteer their time
For less than a case of decent beer, Doug and all here give time, effort and - more than I could do - put up with attitude like that. Not meaning to give offence .... but:

Mate, if those were my words, I'd be ashamed - and pay up.

OK, I'll take my pills now .... :oops:
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Heating oil is 4.60 a gallon, there is a war going on, and there are many other serious issues in the world right now. If Joe's method offended someone or the bandwith problems piss you off, read the newspaper and be thankful you can ride an expensive machine right now.

Enjoy motorcycling, give 20 bucks to the site, and go ride.
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Wow!

When I saw Joe's post about the Free Farkles and then read what he was doing I wasn't sure what to think. Then I saw that he's posted the same thing in different forums and I really did get a little concerned. I usually move those kinds of posts as needed and will delete the repeats, to me it's like spam. But, considering the subject matter I decided not to touch them and I knew that Doug would see them anyway.

What happened to NCGS's original post that Joe quoted?

Also, dasronin, sorry to hear about your experience on the AR-15 site. I guess that could happen anywhere and I won't say that it would never happen here but Doug has proven his dedication in the past, and continues to prove it by spending his time doing upgrades, handling memberships, and everything else the site administrator does. I've never met Doug but hope to someday. He doesn't have his bike anymore but continues to dedicate his time to this site. I think that says a lot about him.

Then there's this reply from Doug, there's a whole lot of info in there. I've not known him to post much publicly about the stir from a couple of years ago. It really was a small thing but hit the site hard because of the close knit vibe the board has. I don't even like to bring it up because if you talk to different people they have differing views of what went on. Some weren't even aware anything was going on. A lot of it revolved around one guy who pushed the site in a different direction, rules had to be drawn up, then we had to try to enforce them...fairly, it really sucked. There was a group that perceived the lack of Administator and moderator involvement of the site as apathy. This was incorrect. So, they started their own thing. I don't know that it is dead, and honestly hope it is not. We lost some cool guys over a bunch of nothing, but the site stayed strong...and has obviously grown.

You R1200R guys are a big part of the board now. I don't know how to make you feel a part of the whole board, you just have to visit other forums to catch the vibe of the place. I always hit the "view new posts" link and notice that many of them are in the R1200R forum. I pop in sometimes but don't post much. You folks might do the same in the R1150R forum which seems to be more of the Main or General forum of the site. A lot of what's discussed in there isn't R1150R specific. We don't move the general motorcycle topics from there to Off-Topic.

So, you all have your own thing going on here which is absolutely great. The Rockster guys do too. I've personally always wanted to have more crossover in the forums. It feels like there are these brothers in other forum that I don't know. It's my fault for not hanging out in the forums. We even have the "Bash" each year but it is dominated by R1150R owners. Is it the "Beakster" name? I don't know, I always felt like it was a combination of Beak for R1150R and Rockster. But there isn't a name for R1200R so we've been generically calling it "The Bash". A lot of folks have been able to meet face-face because of these gatherings and it really gives personality to those usernames and avatars.

In a perfect world everyone is included. I am idealist sometimes, but the reality is there are going to be different groups on this site. There are people who don't even know there are other forums such as Off-Topic, that always surprises me for some reason. There's nothing wrong with it though. The great thing is that the site gets to be different things for each person. It isn't exactly how I want it to be, it may not even be exactly how Doug wants it to be. It is what it is, and I like it. Yeah, I'm a moderator but this site is self moderating. What I do amounts to house keeping, dusting, and sweeping. The few active mods we have can't read every post and I'm sure some things get by that need attention. It's simply logistics and not lack of caring.

This long babbling post has no point. I was just moved to gush a bit after reading this thread. I'll stop blowing smoke now.

Thanks for your time, thanks for making this board a great place to hang out. We have a respectful and civil place here, that's special these days on the Internet. If you need to go crazy seek out the Jo Momma forum on ADVRider.com, I do. But most of my time is spent here...relaxing. Sometimes others call us boring, that doesn't bother me, they just don't understand. No problem.

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Thanks for posting that.

A lot of people dont know the history here, so thats a nice snippet. I didnt remember some of it it until you mentioned it. I've learned that the bad part about a poo memory is that you forget. The good part is that you forgive! :)

I dont know what happened to his original post, one of the other mods must have killed it. I only saw it as a Chitown quote. Chitown was the one who copied it to the other forums to get the membership word out.
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He just cross posted it in here. It was from the "And we're back" thread:
http://www.r1150r.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=14381
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Tis' the season to give...

For those of you with blue names who have been around for a little while benefiting from this great site, consider becoming a paying member to help support Doug and the site. Besides supporting a good thing, you can then access the member's only threads and see what we've been saying about you and your funny pictures. :lol:
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I HAVE paid my dues here and really love this site but this sort of method to get me to read a piece of spam just p!sses me off. The subject line needs to be changed immediately.

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Mark, first of all if you took the time to read through the whole post before getting pissed off, or demanding anything you might have seen that this is not a spam message.


-wikipedia.org
Spam is the abuse of electronic messaging systems to indiscriminately send unsolicited bulk messages.

I did nothing of the sort.

celticus wrote:Doug we appreciate your hard work.
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That post of yours is about 6 posts up.... same thread.... you need your happy pills???




The thread contains valid opinions about becoming members, and a little history of this site by the people who run this site. This was not aimed at members, like it says quite a few times.
It also says quite clearly that this is just my way of getting people's attention who might not normally know about becoming a member and supporting our site. This was not done by anyone in any official way related to this site.
SO by demanding that I change how I posted this message, you give me no choice but to say kiss my ass. It has worked in the past, and hopefully will work in the future to help generate revenue to keep this site going.
Lighten up.

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Changing the subject line to correctly reflect the true nature of the content only sounds like honesty to me. Perhaps you should lighten up. Who asked who to kiss anything, not me?

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