problem externalizing fuel filter

[iowabeakster]

excellent news...


now all we ask...




A nice long tour and RIDE REPORT...RIDE REPORT...RIDE REPORT

John, I thought of you some time recently, while I was eating out. When the waitress asked if the food was tasting okay, I was the only one who burst out in spontaneous laughter.

I was at a loss to explain why it was funny also...

[iowabeakster]

This post was an accident...

In the event of an acutal posting... useless information will follow the picture of a star gazing hominid wielding a bone.

This was only an accident...

[Dr. Strangelove]

getting ready for a test ride now, fueling up with coffee though, first. I am facing this with a bit of trepidation, have to admit.

Tasting...Ha

after the Harriman bash Arnie and I rode around Ky and stopped in Huntington, WV, at the same Bob Evans where I questioned the waitress about her choice of words. And when we were in Lexington we ate two breakfasts and two dinners at a Bob Evans right next to the Comfort Inn.

On no occasion did any of the wait staff use the word tasting...WTF?

So, I have to believe that maybe the stars the hominid viewed aligned for my previous trip and those words emerged serendipitously, OR, and this is what I want to believe, that a letter came from "corporate" and was read at the third Monday of the month in-service stating that the use of a gerund in the place of a compound verb is incorrect and does not benefit the image of The Bob Evans Conglomerate (no relation to Dale, btw). Bob Evans Restaurants are known for their proper syntax and this breach will cease immediately. Furthermore, Proper Syntax will be added to the performance appraisal and allotted 5 points, the same as hand-washing and a cheery demeanor. Bob Evans Restaurants are also known for their demographics: Buick driving 65 year old white males and single females who could lose a couple of pounds.
I can again recommend the Chicken Parmigiana

When the waitress asked if the food was tasting okay,

So, I assume this was not a Bob Evans, or she is now employed at Sonic, where their syntax is just as sloppy as their chili-cheese-burgers- they just don't care.

John

[Dr. Strangelove]

back from a shakedown of about 3-4 miles and revving her up to 5-6k...

NO LEAKS.

filled her up and the yellow light extinguished!

going to take a little longer ride at lunchtime over to mother's for pasta and her red sauce, which is one of the best in town I think, and she has modified it recently adding fresh eggplant to it. Really good. I have to add that my Irish wife's sauce is as good as my mother's to this 100% Italian (really Sicilian) palate, but my 90 year old mother experiments more with hers.
It's all good

Stella! just don't fail me now.

[jb44]

John,

You're full of surprises....motorcyclist, linguist, and food critic...

Glad you've sorted out the external filter problem. I've read about riders doing that mod for years.... doesn't seem that it should be that difficult.

jb

[Dr. Strangelove]

Thanks, jb

I've read about riders doing that mod for years.... doesn't seem that it should be that difficult.

yes, me too. My wife asked me this morning if I felt a sense of accomplishment and I said, not really, and reiterated the same thing you said. I said I was almost disappointed in myself for it being such user error, but, I said, the degree of meticulousness needed by be for this job far exceeded everything else I did on the bike.

Back from Sunday dinner now and now have a little over 20 miles on the new setup and no indication of a leak, and Stella! acts like she likes the new filter. I will prob ride to work tomorrow, 75 mile commute, and if that is fine I will put the black cover back on the side.

[iowabeakster]

Stella!...great news

Dr. Strangelove....minus 5 points.

Bob Evans Restaurants are know for their proper syntax...

I will never post on the board again. I'll be out of points the first week.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Stella!...great news

Dr. Strangelove....minus 5 points.

Bob Evans Restaurants are know for their proper syntax...

I will never post on the board again. I'll be out of points the first week.

Oh my, is there egg on my face, actually the Hearty Country Classic, two eggs any style (always wanted to ask for "doggy"), sausage or crispy bacon, hash browns and your choice of bicuits and gravy. All of that is on my face for missing two "n"s (corrected now).

John

[FloridaBeakster]

DO NOT USE REGULAR FUEL INJECTION HOSE INSIDE THE FUEL TANK. If you put fuel hose inside your tank and it cost less than $20 per foot, you put the wrong stuff in and IT WILL FAIL. Trust me, I know after getting stranded in BFE in the middle of the night waiting for a flatbed to come haul me out (luckily, I did have cell service).

The correct spec for the fuel hose for use INSIDE the tank is SAE J30R10. DO NOT skimp on this if you are immersing the fuel hose in gasoline. Regular fuel hose (and EFI spec hose) does not have a fuel resistant exterior and will eventually fail. Mine lasted about a year before failing. NAPA sells the correct SAE J30R10 hose with 5/16" ID in one foot pieces for around $30 each.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Hey, Mike.

I did not change any hoses within the tank. I used what was there, removing the filter and putting in a short length of 3/8 " copper tubing, clamped down with the FI clamps I have been using, in place of the filter.

Bike is running fine for well over 100 miles and over a week. Yesterday I felt safe in putting the black plastic cover over the QDs.

I did change to hoses outside of the tank, but the FI hose was about $6-7 a foot, iirc

John

[rdsmith3]

Yesterday I felt safe in putting the black plastic cover over the QDs.

Mine's been off for a couple of years because the one screw that holds it bounced to some hiding place in my garage that only the spiders know about. It is a naked bike, after all, so it does not matter to me.

[Dr. Strangelove]

Oh, the saga continues...

No visible leak, but every so often I smell gas, just enough to make to me think I might be imagining it. I clean everything, ride a couple of hundred miles over a few days and still see no leaking, but still smell more gas than I did before. Iy might be coming from around the cannister, but maybe not. MLW places the smell near the oil cooler on the right (not knowing the internal anatomy), but I smell nothing (smell may be the third thing to go with age).

I take a paper towel and shove it (gently) to near the flange for the pump on the inside of the tank and leave it overnight. Next day I pull it and see no evidence of a leak, but it smells like gas. A lot, no mistaking it.

I pull the tank, no visible leaks at all, nice and dry, but the hoses feel sort of soft, and they are definitely softer than the old hoses.

I get the code off of the hose---SAE 30R6KX and google that. Turns out a lot of people are asking the same question: Is this fuel line hose? Well, yes and no...

from the Goodyear site.
SAE 30R6
Products > Fuel Hose

AirBrakeHose2LG

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Features

* Specially designed for gas,oil, diesel, and other fuels
* Resists temperatures up to 212°F (100°C)
* Minimum Burst 175 PSI (1.2MPa)
* meets and exceeds SAE J30R6 specifications


Construction

* ChemigumTM tube compound for outstanding resistance to petroleum based fuels
* Two Spiral Polyester reinforcement
* ChemivicTM cover compound for exceptional abrasion resistance and exposure to

Warning: Do not use for pressure line on fuel injected engines
Not compatible with Biodiesel fuels - See 30R9 construction

Great; just great. I had asked for FI hose at Advance Auto and this is what they gave me. I specifically asked for FI hose.

So, I need to change out the hose. Should not be that big of a job, but the hassle of it, ugh. The alternative is awaiting the hose to explode.

So, I think the fuel smell might be due to the fuel weeping through the line? That is where the paper towel was placed and there is NOTHING wet in there.

[Dr. Strangelove]

more info
would this be appropriate? Note the comment about "resisting permeation." I think that's what my current hose is doing, allowing permeation of fuel smell--and getting weaker with time.

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or should I go for overkill(?) and

NAPA sells the correct SAE J30R10 hose with 5/16" ID in one foot pieces for around $30 each.

realizing that this is for inside the tank but very strong.

Thanks

John