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My new Champagne colored F800ST, listed as "on the boat" May 12th, is due any day now. :-" The popularity of the F800ST, the discontinued USA F800S model and soon the new F800R model has prompted some members to ask for an F800 section. Doug & I are in the process of laying the groundwork for the possibility of getting it's own F800 URL. The same great focus on learning about your bike, on real value for your time and money invested will be repeated again. As before, the pooling of our experiences, knowledge and resources makes the whole "group-o-guys-riding-my-bike" thing something really worth belonging to. Group rides, Great Rides, Bashes and even Tech Sessions will enhance everything about owning the F800 bikes and meeting the people we type to on-line.

Be patient my friends, the wheels are in motion. =D>

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You really have the pull around here don't ya? :lol:
See you in July. :D
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CycleRob wrote:....Doug & I are in the process of laying the groundwork for the possibility of getting it's own F800 URL.
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Rob,

I'm sure you're aware of the http://f800riders.org/ site. A lot of good info and knowledgeable people. Any sense in duplication?

I've been a member of that site for about a year.... trying to decide if I want to give BMW any more of my hard earned money.

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They don't like conservatives over there. :lol:
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jb44,

That site seems to be populated mostly by lads in the UK and Canada, where as Steve says, Conservatives are the Anti-Christ. The S model was introduced those places first, so the forum grew up in, and was formed by, those location's riders. The very few Americans that bought the oddly configured S model (very-low handlebar standard) came a year later. Then the more comfortable, full bodywork, higher handlebar ST (SportTouring) model came out everywhere but the focus still seems to be outside the USA.
Call me crazy, but I see and hear the silent defection of financially stung, confidence eroded OilHead and HexHead riders (like me) often trading in for the impressive F800ST if they still remain with BMW. I see a real need for a predominantly American F800 forum that's not concerned with the size of the humongous license plate, the overpopulation of socialist mandated speed cameras, dangerous encounters with lolly's in round-a-bouts, the VAT, fuel economy frequently expressed as liters/100km, or gasoline over $6/imp gallon. Personally, I am very grateful for their high stress BETA testing level that quickly brought the new model weaknesses into the bright light, forcing a speedy (by BMW standards) redesign/upgrade/fix. They certainly do have tons of info online there that, how do I say this politely . . . . . . . . . also (correctly) offers the credit card option at a mediocre dealer close by or better service at one really far away as the best service/repair solution. An example is the expertise in this maintenance DVD produced & sold by the site. I may be prejudiced. Watch this video and form your own opinion. I don't even have to critique it.

In this new predominantly F800(ST)(S) forum we will build on what is known already about the F800 series and add the fullness of having the American camaraderie and relevance described with pride in my first post beginning this thread. Besides that, I have absolutely no qualms about tearing my ST apart if a clutch problem, transmission problem, fork modification, valve clearance check/adjustment or leaking gasket happens to me. Also, as has happened here increasingly since Sept 10, 2001, be able to deal in great detail with whatever comes up and is made the topic by someone needing info or guidance. As always you'll know when to make a trip to the dealer when called for with some . . . . and as a last resort with most everyone else.

It's time (again) for me to focus my experience and talents on my new BMW and in the process share/create/refine the wealth of info contributed by all that will save you many times the cost of your paid full privilege membership.

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I'm a Brit living in the Philippines. My yellow F800GS arrives late July. CycleRob, can I play? :shock:
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Rob,

Thanks for the response and explanation. Any site that has your expertise and attention to detail is worthy of being a member.

As you noted, the F800's have had their share of issues which BMW has been slow to even admit to, much less develop a fix. That has kept me out of their showrooms.

Perhaps if you could sign on as my personal mechanic, I might be convinced to once again ride a BMW... :)

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We will be live with "bmwf800.net" soon!! It should point to this section if I know my web malarky. Might take a few days to "work"
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snowprick,

Of course you are welcome! You'll will likely be part of the solutions, not the problems!
That's how it has been when I log on after 10PM for the first time of the day. Snowprick gave the answer. From what I see, the F800 bikes require a lot less servicing, the only big areas being the valve adjustment (not that hard to do) every 12k miles and ABS fluid changes. There's no FD or FD oil change, no clutch slave or clutch master cylinder, no separate transmission oil, just one valve cover, only 2 sparkplugs, no frequent TB synch, no alternator belt, no QD's, 65 pounds less weight, no fuses at all and an underseat plastic fuel tank you never have to remove! The in-tank fuel pump/filter assembly easily accessible also under the seat. The final drive belt never needs adjustment.


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"Perhaps if you could sign on as my personal mechanic, I might be convinced to once again ride a BMW... :) "

James, It's a deal!! :smt023 I still owe you for your past generosity. I see you have GA ties, so any deep work needed can be put on my next day's schedule. You DO have a truck or trailer, don't you? :lol:
In contact with 2 friends of 2 friends that own F800ST bikes and they have had zero problems with them and many miles. I'm feeling lucky. Certainly better than those costly after warranty OilHead buzzkills.

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We have complete confidence in you. If you Google "F800" you'll get Ford trucks too, so the "BMW" prefix was needed. Remember what Kevin Costner said standing in the cornfield; "If you build it, they will come".

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I hope so!! Go get 'em.asdf
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I was curious what .asdf was so I Googled it and chose the SECOND choice. It said:
"A virus website located by typind ASDFG onto google and clicking on the first link."

Somebody or a spybot out there doesn't like "us" and somehow added that to Doug's post. It wasn't there before.

Be careful out there and use your street smarts when something doesn't look right . . . like the first Google choice's unusual characters.

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CycleRob wrote: ...the F800 bikes require a lot less servicing, the only big areas being the valve adjustment (not that hard to do) every 12k miles and ABS fluid changes. There's no FD or FD oil change, no clutch slave or clutch master cylinder, no separate transmission oil, just one valve cover, only 2 sparkplugs, no frequent TB synch, no alternator belt, no QD's, 65 pounds less weight, no fuses at all and an underseat plastic fuel tank you never have to remove! The in-tank fuel pump/filter assembly easily accessible also under the seat. The final drive belt never needs adjustment.
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Lots of good reasons to go for an F800.

However, I remember your posts about your dislike of the Canbus electrical system.

Have you changed your mind about Canbus?

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Yes, for the most part. My biggest beef with the system was that it takes so much control over things. Adding driving lites, horns even a battery charger requires a different approach because the BMS-K system "monitors" the current usage of each component. That can be a really good thing for something like a short or broken wire. It serves as the "fuse" and the diagnostician for everything. That means you can not just add on things like additional lites tapped into the parking lite circuit. Kinda makes me feel like I am the servant and it is my master. Very user unfriendly the way it's configured . . . . like arrogant Germans designed it. It's in most new cars now too, so you can't avoid it forever. It's supposed to be cheaper, lighter weight and easier to repair because only a few wires are used with inexpensive but very reliable electronic controllers. It's been on the R1200R and the hexhead RT's too. Talking with several bike owners and dealer tech's about it led me to believe the track record is OK. I embraced microwave ovens as soon as they came out ~1978 so avoiding the CAN-BUS bikes would be like sticking with a toaster oven.

For key on power the routine is to tap into the low wattage pilot/parking lite's power wire inside the headlite shell to actuate a 30 Amp accessory relay switching direct battery power to your add-on terminal power strip. Even when you use the power socket for your battery charger hookup the CAN-BUS system monitors and regulates the charger's power.

BMW's 3 year warranty is now 2 years on the F800ST. :shock: How's that for confidence? If things don't work out after that I may go shaft drive Guzzi or Honda (truth).

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CycleRob wrote:....so avoiding the CAN-BUS bikes would be like sticking with a toaster oven....
My wife still prefers a toaster oven (convection type)... :)

The reduction to a two year warranty isn't encouraging.

As usual, thanks for your technical insight.

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My wife Ann answered the phone call from the dealer early this morning. I pick up the F800ST on Tuesday the 9th. :smt026 To my surprise, they long ago asked me when I ordered it if I wanted to go in the back and see it put together from the sealed crate to it's out-the-door completion. I said "hell yes!" How many dealers would do that? Small perk. Huge contribution! Lasting memory. Pics will follow.
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Exciting news about your bike delivery, CycleRob. And we're equally excited about the new F800 section for exchange of info and expertise.

In fact, your R1150R-to-F800 move has precipitated some interest in trading Mrs. Sweatmark's R1150R Roadster for an F800S loaner bikes our favorite dealer has available. The F800S is equipped just as we'd like: heated grips, OBC, TPM, and ABS (the lightweight & non-intrusive version, unlike iABS)... and my wife seems to like the rich red color. We're belt drive proponents after 4 years of Buell ownership.

I will remain active in the R1150R and Rockster sections, as my Edition 80 is a keeper. Well, that is to say "keeper" and "fixer" and "modifier" as required to keep it working.
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sweeeet Rob! Can't wait to see it hopefully on tech day :mrgreen:
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In case you're wondering, my continued presence on that other huge F800 site is temporary, to leave a trail of tasty Italian bread crumbs as well as many well placed footprints. Modesty aside, it will take some time to build a following on our core values, real dollar value, 2 wheel experiences and ingenuity. We may never become the best F800 site that riders use as their homepage, but when they get in a jam, they will post here too. With everyone's help, the correct solutions and excellent advice will eventually sort the favorite. Our sites can coexist successfully, like we have with advrider or even the other Boxer sites, where I very rarely go. Have any doubts? Look at the thousands of members/lurkers on this site that Doug has built from nothing for Boxer riders, has done to the 800 pound gorilla in the room, advrider. My homepage is, and always has been, prefixed by www.r1150r.org =D>

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F800GS Yellow is "on the boat, on the sea, and on the way". Should be riding it in the typhoon rain in about ten days. (skin is waterproof as my old boss used to tell me). Now the burning question is.... Should I sell my beloved black monster and buy an ST? I love the big balls Limo feel of the RR but live in fear of ANOTHER big repair bill. #-o Rob, is it really that good? dont you miss the Limo?

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Funny thing, I rode 2-up yesterday with my wife on the back and it handled almost exactly like riding my old 1150R solo. That luxury car ride, the stable, smooth cornering or just the steadiness going straight. It was an eerie, familiar re-acquaintance, without actually doing it.

This is just the impression I get, but an F800ST is a really good street bike, as long as 95% of your cruising speeds are 70 MPH or less. Above those speeds the higher engine speeds sound really busy and the increasingly louder, approaching offensive intake noise intrudes on the riding experience. You'll notice these traits particularly if you come from an R1150R. Top gear 4,000 RPM gives you 66 GPS MPH, 69 indicated MPH. That 1150R sure could shine as the highway cruising speeds approached 90 MPH. Giddy-up! 75 or 80 was constantly teasing you to go faster. But where can you do that on a regular basis? How long is it before you get caught, punished and fined? How long is it before your FD bearing(s) or clutch shaft splines give up with that treatment? :lol:

The sound, feel, smoothness sweet spot on my F800ST, in 6th gear, is between 40 and 65 MPH. Really. The lightly muffled big engine exhaust note and smoothness of the power pulses with the minutely changing throttle transitions is pure delight. Electric motor smooth. The 6th gear fuel economy readings at a steady 45 MPH show 78 MPG with changes of +/- 10 MPG, depending on the small elevation changes. No, the engine is not being lugged or turning too slow for the very light load it is under at those road speeds. It runs beautifully with the throttle barely off the idle stop. It is also so smooth, loafing along behind the everyday traffic in front of you, that you can't help but notice it is a very finely tuned machine. EFI has met it's master and it was Rotax engineers that likely made the program. Not so with my now gone 50R. It had to be in 5th gear. Think about how often those 40--65 MPH conditions apply to the intended use of your bike and what an asset it's phenomenal fuel economy is. My last 4 tank fulls have been between 62 and 64 MPG, one of those going way too fast in 6th gear (some 5th gear) on the very twisty, hilly route 60 in the North Georgia mountains. Every time I gas up it takes between 3.2 and 3.5 US gallons of Regular grade Chevron/Texaco/Shell. The under seat fuel tank holds 4.2 gallons so the 58 MPG it gets at a steady 70 MPH will take you (4 x 58 =) 232 miles with .2 gallon to spare. High efficiency is really nice, but coupled with excellent driveability, great performance and Hi-Tech looks . . . it's a winner!

Oh yeah . . . . . on those fabulous twisty mountain roads, I was riding with OU812 on his R1200RT (bags left at my house where he stayed) and missdemeanor on her CBR600F4i. We had a blast and each rider erased well over 2/3rds of their rear tire's remaining chicken stripes noted at our meeting place. The mediocre BT-020 Bridgestones on my bike limited me to 6.5mm wide stripes remaining at my 95% pace. It was a pace I followed so my new $12k bike doesn't need a truck ride home with me painfully sitting in the passenger seat. Steve almost erased all of his, with better tires and something over a 95% effort. I will not miss those BT-020 tires when a set of Z-6 Metzlers replaces them.

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